Comments on: The Shadow in Synastry: The Roving “I” (part 1) http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1 Astrology with Dawn Bodrogi Wed, 01 May 2013 16:56:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: lynne http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-2053 lynne Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:01:23 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-2053 brilliant ! I have a mars conjunct descendant synastry with my husband and let me tell you its been a rollercoaster ride of projection. I can honestly say its rather like falling in love with your darkest self !!!!!! brilliant ! I have a mars conjunct descendant synastry with my husband and let me tell you its been a rollercoaster ride of projection. I can honestly say its rather like falling in love with your darkest self !!!!!!

]]> By: lynne http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-2052 lynne Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:59:07 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-2052 i love this blog. ive done ten years of projection in a relationship who's synastry had mars conjunct the desendant and let me tell you its been a near death experience and rather like falling in love with yourself through the other! i love this blog. ive done ten years of projection in a relationship who’s synastry had mars conjunct the desendant and let me tell you its been a near death experience and rather like falling in love with yourself through the other!

]]> By: Synastry Studies: The Role of the Houses « The Inner Wheel http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-52 Synastry Studies: The Role of the Houses « The Inner Wheel Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:08:02 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-52 [...] in yourself that you don’t want to see (the Descendant being what it is: see the articles on The Roving ‘I’). But if that Mars is opposite the Sun in the natal, that person’s Sun would fall in your [...] [...] in yourself that you don’t want to see (the Descendant being what it is: see the articles on The Roving ‘I’). But if that Mars is opposite the Sun in the natal, that person’s Sun would fall in your [...]

]]> By: Rose http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-51 Rose Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:36:32 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-51 Aha! Finally someone writing about the descendant. I've got a planet on the descendant and I've been trying to understand what it means. Thanks, very helpful. Rose Aha! Finally someone writing about the descendant. I’ve got a planet on the descendant and I’ve been trying to understand what it means. Thanks, very helpful. Rose

]]> By: alcuin9 http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-50 alcuin9 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:37:06 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-50 Stars don't move in relation to one another. Planets do. Look at it this way: The time it takes for the entire sky to move around in an entire circle (from the point of view of the earth) is one sidereal day. This is a different measurement from the time it takes the Sun, which is a solar day. Adjustments need to be made to find sidereal time from birth time. which is adjusted for both time and place. For example, within a time zone, it could be 8 PM, but one area will be headed towards darkness and another will still have light. The sidereal time would be different for each. Finding the angles by hand is a laborious process. I know, I started long before computers. The computer has replaced the Table of Houses, Ephemeris, Atlas and Atlas of local time changes that you needed to calculate the angles and house positions. It does in a split second what used to take an hour, and it's more accurate. However, I think it's important to learn the concepts behind how a chart is calculated, and get some kind of three dimensional model in your head so that it makes sense symbolically. Believe it or not, the Idiot's Guide to Astrology has a good, simple explanation. So does Kevin Burke's Astrology Math Made Easy. Though you'll see how easy it isn't, unless you're a math wiz. Stars don’t move in relation to one another. Planets do. Look at it this way: The time it takes for the entire sky to move around in an entire circle (from the point of view of the earth) is one sidereal day. This is a different measurement from the time it takes the Sun, which is a solar day. Adjustments need to be made to find sidereal time from birth time. which is adjusted for both time and place. For example, within a time zone, it could be 8 PM, but one area will be headed towards darkness and another will still have light. The sidereal time would be different for each.

Finding the angles by hand is a laborious process. I know, I started long before computers. The computer has replaced the Table of Houses, Ephemeris, Atlas and Atlas of local time changes that you needed to calculate the angles and house positions. It does in a split second what used to take an hour, and it’s more accurate. However, I think it’s important to learn the concepts behind how a chart is calculated, and get some kind of three dimensional model in your head so that it makes sense symbolically. Believe it or not, the Idiot’s Guide to Astrology has a good, simple explanation. So does Kevin Burke’s Astrology Math Made Easy. Though you’ll see how easy it isn’t, unless you’re a math wiz.

]]> By: Don Musser http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-49 Don Musser Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:04:24 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-49 Dawn - i am suspecting that the angles all work together and lay a foundation for what we are here to accomplish as individuals. the pathway into relationship is really difficult and confusing if the angular foundation of ourselves is caught in shadow or off balance - we get wound up in trying to complete or fulfill ourselves thru relating when its really an inner completion thats being called for.... a couple other questions about the setting of the midhaven. as you mentioned - its established based on sidereal time which defines movement based on fixed stars. which fixed stars would those be ? - and then if it is possible to explain it briefly and simply - what is the calculation that yields the ascendent - descendent axis once the midhaven is established ? thanks, Don Dawn – i am suspecting that the angles all work together and lay a foundation for what we are here to accomplish as individuals. the pathway into relationship is really difficult and confusing if the angular foundation of ourselves is caught in shadow or off balance – we get wound up in trying to complete or fulfill ourselves thru relating when its really an inner completion thats being called for….

a couple other questions about the setting of the midhaven. as you mentioned – its established based on sidereal time which defines movement based on fixed stars. which fixed stars would those be ? – and then if it is possible to explain it briefly and simply – what is the calculation that yields the ascendent – descendent axis once the midhaven is established ?
thanks,
Don

]]> By: alcuin9 http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-48 alcuin9 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:54:08 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-48 I'm going to be doing a similar piece on the MC/IC soon. MC/IC contacts are vital in synastry, and yet very few people give them any weight. I’m going to be doing a similar piece on the MC/IC soon. MC/IC contacts are vital in synastry, and yet very few people give them any weight.

]]> By: Don Musser http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-47 Don Musser Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:40:23 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-47 thanks Dawn! - as always - very helpful - there is something emerging around the MC- IC for me - with a Leo Mars on the midhaven - the strongest part of the shadow is down there at the bottom of the chart with the Acquarius IC and the empty fourth house - there is an energetic/emotional/spiritual rearrangement in the works around the midhaven and the IC that is similiar to the redefinition you are mentioning around the ascendent and the descendent in your last post...... thanks Dawn! – as always – very helpful – there is something emerging around the MC- IC for me – with a Leo Mars on the midhaven – the strongest part of the shadow is down there at the bottom of the chart with the Acquarius IC and the empty fourth house – there is an energetic/emotional/spiritual rearrangement in the works around the midhaven and the IC that is similiar to the redefinition you are mentioning around the ascendent and the descendent in your last post……

]]> By: alcuin9 http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-46 alcuin9 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:47:12 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-46 Sorry, I missed a part of your question. Charts have to be analyzed individually, but if there is a lot of emphasis on the Desc via planet and rulership--just a lot of contacts to the Descendant and its ruler, then that person will be partnership oriented and at the same time prone to projections. If there are a lot of contacts there via synastry, then this particular relationship will be intense and cause the person do redefine what relationship means to them. There may be particular projections or attitudes that the person will have to come to terms with, depending on the planets involved. Sorry, I missed a part of your question. Charts have to be analyzed individually, but if there is a lot of emphasis on the Desc via planet and rulership–just a lot of contacts to the Descendant and its ruler, then that person will be partnership oriented and at the same time prone to projections. If there are a lot of contacts there via synastry, then this particular relationship will be intense and cause the person do redefine what relationship means to them. There may be particular projections or attitudes that the person will have to come to terms with, depending on the planets involved.

]]> By: alcuin9 http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/20/the-shadow-in-synastry-the-roving-i-part-1/#comment-45 alcuin9 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-45 Don-- I'm afraid that natal angles are calculated via the midheaven's position for the adjusted sidereal time of birth. Sidereal time defines movement via fixed stars, not the Sun. I actually find this very poetic. Our charts are defined by our highest point, our greatest possibility. I think you're confusing natal angles with progressed angles, which can be directed via solar measurement. There are a number of ways to progress angles in secondaries, which is way too complicated a topic to get into here. Ironically, perhaps, I don't use the solar arc to progress the angles. I find that it's too far ahead of the client's conscious experience. If a natal planet conjuncts an angle, it's influence will be very apparent in the person's life. It will give weight to that end of the angle. If it's the Asc, they'll need to express that energy directly, perhaps ignoring it's implications on partnership. If it's conjunct the Descendant, they may try to pass the planet off onto a partner. Planet's conjunct the Desc are harder for us to get a hold of, though they may be very influential in a random, unconscious way. I've seen them behave much like unaspected planets. Much depends on the state of the planet itself and if that planet's energies are easy to tap into. If my Mars is conjunct my Desc and square to Pluto, I'm going to have a much harder time of accepting its influence than I would if Mars was trine Venus and Saturn. If Mars is conjunct my Desc, I may have trouble accessing my own ambition and agression. It may be difficult to integrate that into my definition of "I". Don– I’m afraid that natal angles are calculated via the midheaven’s position for the adjusted sidereal time of birth. Sidereal time defines movement via fixed stars, not the Sun. I actually find this very poetic. Our charts are defined by our highest point, our greatest possibility. I think you’re confusing natal angles with progressed angles, which can be directed via solar measurement. There are a number of ways to progress angles in secondaries, which is way too complicated a topic to get into here. Ironically, perhaps, I don’t use the solar arc to progress the angles. I find that it’s too far ahead of the client’s conscious experience.

If a natal planet conjuncts an angle, it’s influence will be very apparent in the person’s life. It will give weight to that end of the angle. If it’s the Asc, they’ll need to express that energy directly, perhaps ignoring it’s implications on partnership. If it’s conjunct the Descendant, they may try to pass the planet off onto a partner. Planet’s conjunct the Desc are harder for us to get a hold of, though they may be very influential in a random, unconscious way. I’ve seen them behave much like unaspected planets. Much depends on the state of the planet itself and if that planet’s energies are easy to tap into. If my Mars is conjunct my Desc and square to Pluto, I’m going to have a much harder time of accepting its influence than I would if Mars was trine Venus and Saturn. If Mars is conjunct my Desc, I may have trouble accessing my own ambition and agression. It may be difficult to integrate that into my definition of “I”.

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