Comments on: Beyond Mom and Dad: Saturn as a Relationship Planet (Part Two) http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two Astrology with Dawn Bodrogi Wed, 01 May 2013 16:56:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-4681 Dawn Bodrogi Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:44:30 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-4681 It's impossible for me to comment without seeing the entire chart. Saturn represents authority in the chart, and represents where we can find our own, internal, authority. If the father figure is more identified with a free-wheeling sign, like Sag or Pisces, Saturn will represent those other males in life who are authority figures, those who expect something from us that we may not be willing to give. But it always represents the masculine face of material reality, as opposed to the Moon, which is the feminine face. It’s impossible for me to comment without seeing the entire chart. Saturn represents authority in the chart, and represents where we can find our own, internal, authority. If the father figure is more identified with a free-wheeling sign, like Sag or Pisces, Saturn will represent those other males in life who are authority figures, those who expect something from us that we may not be willing to give. But it always represents the masculine face of material reality, as opposed to the Moon, which is the feminine face.

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-4256 Dawn Bodrogi Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:40:24 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-4256 I think the article itself describes the dynamic clearly enough. Where Saturn is, we seek security and certainty. We desire to break through fears and defenses. These Saturn needs are being projected onto you via the synastry. A mature and developed Saturn will accept the role with and of responsibility. I think the article itself describes the dynamic clearly enough. Where Saturn is, we seek security and certainty. We desire to break through fears and defenses. These Saturn needs are being projected onto you via the synastry. A mature and developed Saturn will accept the role with and of responsibility.

]]> By: Ceres http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-3816 Ceres Fri, 21 Dec 2012 03:19:23 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3816 Hi, such a fantastically in-depth article. I am curious about a particular synastry aspect I share with my older boyfriend; He's 23 yrs. my senior, his Pisces Saturn is in my 4th house. He's said that I evoke powerful feelings of protection within him. (His Libra Sun is also tightly hugging My Moon) What do you think about the Saturn 4th house overlay? Thanx! Hi, such a fantastically in-depth article. I am curious about a particular synastry aspect I share with my older boyfriend; He’s 23 yrs. my senior, his Pisces Saturn is in my 4th house. He’s said that I evoke powerful feelings of protection within him. (His Libra Sun is also tightly hugging My Moon) What do you think about the Saturn 4th house overlay?

Thanx!

]]> By: Cybele http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-3744 Cybele Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:34:59 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3744 Dear Dawn, What a great article! I never understood prior to this that Saturn was supposed to pair with the Moon. That was a huge revelation for me! I have a 12th house Saturn also, and Saturn in Leo is the lord of my 5th house Capricorn Moon. My IC is on Sagittarius with Neptune in it, and Jupiter, the accidental "father", is partile conjunct MC Gemini. Jupiter and Neptune form an opposition with rather large orbs, but I've been pointed out that it is an opposition that has some significance. I can easily see the Moon as my mother (disciplinarian and creative Leo), and Jupiter as my father (lenient and truth-seeking Pisces), but most descriptions of Saturn the "father figure" do not fit the bill. By the way, 12th house Saturn is also in a perfect trine with 4th house Neptune. I can see Neptune & Jupiter as both representing my father's personality type. But where does Saturn fit in? I must confess to Peter Pan Syndrome (always hope and actually manage to get something for nothing. I blame it on the Libran Venus-MC Jupiter perfect trine). I'm in my mid-thirties. Perhaps you could help me shed some light! I want to make friends with my Saturn, get to know him. Really! Again, this article is an eye opener for me. Dear Dawn,

What a great article! I never understood prior to this that Saturn was supposed to pair with the Moon. That was a huge revelation for me!

I have a 12th house Saturn also, and Saturn in Leo is the lord of my 5th house Capricorn Moon. My IC is on Sagittarius with Neptune in it, and Jupiter, the accidental “father”, is partile conjunct MC Gemini. Jupiter and Neptune form an opposition with rather large orbs, but I’ve been pointed out that it is an opposition that has some significance.

I can easily see the Moon as my mother (disciplinarian and creative Leo), and Jupiter as my father (lenient and truth-seeking Pisces), but most descriptions of Saturn the “father figure” do not fit the bill. By the way, 12th house Saturn is also in a perfect trine with 4th house Neptune. I can see Neptune & Jupiter as both representing my father’s personality type. But where does Saturn fit in?

I must confess to Peter Pan Syndrome (always hope and actually manage to get something for nothing. I blame it on the Libran Venus-MC Jupiter perfect trine). I’m in my mid-thirties.

Perhaps you could help me shed some light! I want to make friends with my Saturn, get to know him. Really! Again, this article is an eye opener for me.

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-3296 Dawn Bodrogi Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:37:53 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3296 Sorry, Sandy, but this is beyond the scope of this site/comment box. You can't expect me to make a major judgement on a synastry by giving me a list of aspects. If you keep reading this site, you'll understand why. Sorry, Sandy, but this is beyond the scope of this site/comment box. You can’t expect me to make a major judgement on a synastry by giving me a list of aspects. If you keep reading this site, you’ll understand why.

]]> By: Sandy D http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-3294 Sandy D Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:46:14 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3294 Hi, what a fabulous article, would love to see what you think of the possible pairings with either of these HE. SHE. SHE Sun 0 deg cap. 2 degrees virgo. 14 degrees cancer Moon 28 scorp. 17 aries. 12 gemini Merc. 28 sag. 28 virgo. 28 gemini Venus. 19 scorp. 16 cancer. 28 leo Mars. 12 pisces. 22 pisces. 3 taurus Jup. 28 cancer. 9 virgo. 22 aries Sat. 15 scorp. 28. Scorp. 21 cancer Ura. 28 cancer. 4 leo. 28 libra Nep. 27 libra. 26 libra. 9 sag Pluto. 28 leo. 27 leo. 6 libra Asc. 0 sag. 19 leo. 18 virgo MC 15 virgo. 7 taurus. 17 sag Which would you think would be the better marraige and longer relationship. I know this is a lot to ask, but it will really touch base on what you were talking about, and I would live to know what aspects you think are best, better, or worse. I am do intrigued by what you wrote, it changes my whole perspective, thank you so much for such a great article :) Hi, what a fabulous article, would love to see what you think of the possible pairings with either of these
HE. SHE. SHE
Sun 0 deg cap. 2 degrees virgo. 14 degrees cancer
Moon 28 scorp. 17 aries. 12 gemini
Merc. 28 sag. 28 virgo. 28 gemini
Venus. 19 scorp. 16 cancer. 28 leo
Mars. 12 pisces. 22 pisces. 3 taurus
Jup. 28 cancer. 9 virgo. 22 aries
Sat. 15 scorp. 28. Scorp. 21 cancer
Ura. 28 cancer. 4 leo. 28 libra
Nep. 27 libra. 26 libra. 9 sag
Pluto. 28 leo. 27 leo. 6 libra

Asc. 0 sag. 19 leo. 18 virgo
MC 15 virgo. 7 taurus. 17 sag

Which would you think would be the better marraige and longer relationship. I know this is a lot to ask, but it will really touch base on what you were talking about, and I would live to know what aspects you think are best, better, or worse. I am do intrigued by what you wrote, it changes my whole perspective, thank you so much for such a great article :)

]]> By: Sandy http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-3293 Sandy Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:22:34 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3293 Hi very, very interesting I would love to know what you think would be the better pairing ? Saturn conjunct his moon exact within 08 seconds at 26 degrees scorpio, his venus at 19 degrees scorpio , poss partners venus 17 degrees cancer, his saturn at 15 degrees scorpio, her mars 22 degrees pisces., his mars 9 degrees pisces. His sun is 0 degrees capricorn, her sun at 2 degrees virgo. The other possible's saturn 20 degrees cancer, her venus exactly on his pluto at 28 degrees leo square his moon, and her sun at 12 degrees cancer, her saturn at 21 cancer,her mars at 4 degrees taurus, her ascendant 15 degrees virgo His ascendant 0 degrees sagitarrius. Who might be the longer and stronger bond according to the saturn info Hi very, very interesting I would love to know what you think would be the better pairing ? Saturn conjunct his moon exact within 08 seconds at 26 degrees scorpio, his venus at 19 degrees scorpio , poss partners venus 17 degrees cancer, his saturn at 15 degrees scorpio, her mars 22 degrees pisces., his mars 9 degrees pisces. His sun is 0 degrees capricorn, her sun at 2 degrees virgo. The other possible’s saturn 20 degrees cancer, her venus exactly on his pluto at 28 degrees leo square his moon, and her sun at 12 degrees cancer, her saturn at 21 cancer,her mars
at 4 degrees taurus, her ascendant 15 degrees virgo His
ascendant 0 degrees sagitarrius. Who might be the longer
and stronger bond according to the saturn info

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-2924 Dawn Bodrogi Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:24:10 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2924 Thanks, Katey. The moment we become aware of something, it breaks the ground for us to carve out a new path. Good luck with yours. Thanks, Katey. The moment we become aware of something, it breaks the ground for us to carve out a new path. Good luck with yours.

]]> By: Katey http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-2923 Katey Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:14:20 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2923 This is awesome!! As someone with a big stellium in 7th libra including Venus, mercury, Jupiter, Pluto and of course Saturn, I definitely see how I expect somebody else to be Saturn for me. I cant stand having to do "adult" things. A serious problem indeed, but now I see WHY. This is so enlightening! And I thought Liz Greene had pretty much summed up Saturn for me. But, no, you very clearly added a whole new twist to Saturn both for me personally and for my relationships. I just love the way you write and explain this stuff. I can't get enough! :) This is awesome!! As someone with a big stellium in 7th libra including Venus, mercury, Jupiter, Pluto and of course Saturn, I definitely see how I expect somebody else to be Saturn for me. I cant stand having to do “adult” things. A serious problem indeed, but now I see WHY. This is so enlightening! And I thought Liz Greene had pretty much summed up Saturn for me. But, no, you very clearly added a whole new twist to Saturn both for me personally and for my relationships. I just love the way you write and explain this stuff. I can’t get enough! :)

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/06/beyond-mom-and-dad-saturn-as-a-relationship-planet-part-two/#comment-1586 Dawn Bodrogi Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:09:17 +0000 http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-1586 Hello, Cibal--A man with a Moon/Neptune conjunction on his Descendant (it doesn't matter which house it falls in) has some powerful illusions and delusions to deal with regarding his relationships with women. With Moon/Neptune there, he may be confusing his ideal partner with dreams of an ideal mother. He may never see his partners for who they truly are, and project his own needs on to them. He may long to be mothered by someone, and then have it all go wrong because of the Saturn influence. When Saturn is in the 12th house, there are usually father issues involved. The father may have been absent or inaccessible, and there may be Oedipal overtones. There is a conflict (and possibly a fear) between wanting to be an adult male (which may seem impossible) and being a child. The childhood may be seen through rose-coloured glasses, when the real hurt and pain and separation involved may have been swept under the carpet. Moon/Saturn doesn't necessarily, by itself, indicate relationships with older women. (Venus/Saturn tends more towards that, or Saturn on the Desc.) I'm not sure what you mean by 'maternal interference.' If he gets involved with women and then gets in trouble with them because mother interferes, it's because he has no boundaries and no strong sense of himself as a partner. He may still feel conflicted about being his own man and may prefer to remain a child, emotionally. He needs to cut the apron strings and create his own life, which will be difficult with this Moon/Neptune placement. When Saturn is in the 12th, we often have secret fears that we prefer not to face. Hello, Cibal–A man with a Moon/Neptune conjunction on his Descendant (it doesn’t matter which house it falls in) has some powerful illusions and delusions to deal with regarding his relationships with women. With Moon/Neptune there, he may be confusing his ideal partner with dreams of an ideal mother. He may never see his partners for who they truly are, and project his own needs on to them. He may long to be mothered by someone, and then have it all go wrong because of the Saturn influence. When Saturn is in the 12th house, there are usually father issues involved. The father may have been absent or inaccessible, and there may be Oedipal overtones. There is a conflict (and possibly a fear) between wanting to be an adult male (which may seem impossible) and being a child. The childhood may be seen through rose-coloured glasses, when the real hurt and pain and separation involved may have been swept under the carpet. Moon/Saturn doesn’t necessarily, by itself, indicate relationships with older women. (Venus/Saturn tends more towards that, or Saturn on the Desc.) I’m not sure what you mean by ‘maternal interference.’ If he gets involved with women and then gets in trouble with them because mother interferes, it’s because he has no boundaries and no strong sense of himself as a partner. He may still feel conflicted about being his own man and may prefer to remain a child, emotionally. He needs to cut the apron strings and create his own life, which will be difficult with this Moon/Neptune placement. When Saturn is in the 12th, we often have secret fears that we prefer not to face.

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