This is part one of an occasional series on Chiron in Synastry. I’ve already addressed Chiron/Venus here, and will be going through inter-aspects of Chiron with all of the relationship planets, the lights, and some interesting sensitive points. This is a little overview of Chiron’s function in a chart in terms of partnership.
I’ve had a lot of students come to me with questions about Chiron Chiron in Synastry. lately. I think it has a lot to do with Chiron and Neptune dancing together in Aquarius right now. We need a larger focus on how we can heal through connecting with others. But Chiron in synastry, one on one, can be very tricky to interpret. There is a lot of focus on the, by now infamous, Chironian incurable wound. The big question from students is always, “who is the wound-er and who is the wound-ee?”
It isn’t that simple. We have a tendency to forget that Chiron’s primary function was as a healer and teacher. It’s as if we’ve taken the most dramatic element of a story and blown it out of proportion. (Sure, we all like watching the Titanic go down, but without what came before and after we haven’t got much of a movie.) Where Chiron sits in our charts is where we’re meant to use our wisdom–not merely gathered knowledge, but the grounded knowledge of experience. Chiron is about the wisdom we’ve garnered from our soul-testing, from our pain and our isolation. He carries what we’ve learned from being rejected and excluded, ostracized. Where Chiron is, we feel different, banished from the norm, often because of the very wisdom that is inherent to Chiron. Chiron carries the results of our most difficult lessons. Where Chiron sits, we have an ability to see beyond ordinary reality/perception. This is our Outsider Wisdom. Alone amongst all the Centaurs, who were dominated by their animal nature, Chiron was wise, moderate, kind. But Chiron’s story reminds us that no wisdom can protect us from change. Wounded, in essence, by his own hand, he endured a suffering that could only be transcended by making a sacrifice for the greater good. No matter which version of Chiron’s story is used, the element of making an offering is always there. Where Chiron is, we cannot remain alone with our wisdom. We must make sacrifices, we must give it away. We must understand that there is a higher power at work, and we must make ourselves a vehicle to carry that power to those who need it.
So where do we learn about higher power? Mostly, from the transpersonal planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. I’ve never liked the term ‘transpersonal’ because it implies that there is a lack of intimacy and immediacy about the outer planets, which can’t be further from the truth. But they do carry that which we cannot recognize within ourselves, the seeds of our greatest growth. And often, because we don’t see these seeds within ourselves, the stimulus to growth comes to us in the guise of something or someone ‘out there.’
As individuals, the deepest wounds are usually represented by our experiences of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. And often one of these planets (or more than one) is dominant in a synastry. This is no surprise. The outer planets represent what is beyond the known, out of the realm of our ordinary experience, and are symbols of transformation in our charts because they carry the seeds of what we must become, but what we do not yet recognize in ourselves. This is, in fact, what relationships bring to us–our partners are the messengers of our inner being, the harbingers (welcome or unwelcome) of change. And often they are flying the flag of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto.
Whatever house an outer planet falls in will be turned inside out by the end of our lives–our perceptions of the functions of that house will undergo dramatic shifts. When we are young, we are naive and innocent of the necessity of change, unaware that ‘happily ever after’ often means ‘shift as if your life depended on it.’ [The happiest couples are most often the ones who can move along with change and accept that there are times when they will not be developing at the same pace, and may not see eye to eye.] And often, our relationships become the vehicles for the outer planets’ agenda. Aspects between inner planets show how we rub along on a day to day basis, but aspects from outer planets to inner planets show where we must experience a little death. (When I teach the Advanced Synastry lesson on the Outer Planets, I tell my students that we have a choice between being shot (Uranus), drowning (Neptune) or being eaten by bears (guess who?). The outer planets always take something away from us– and they don’t replace it readily until we learn to take a higher road.
Chiron is the lynch pin between the transcendent function of the outer planets and the blockages that are represented by the reality of Saturn. Saturn is all about the limits of what we are in the here and now, and the outer planets are all about our potential, that which only exists in nascent form within the soul. Saturn is all about the known, and his reputation for defensiveness, paralysis and fear is well deserved. (Sure, we’re scared where Saturn is concerned, and there’s probably a darn good reason for it, if only we could remember back enough lifetimes.) The outer planets want to tear all that town, because it doesn’t serve the nascent new Self, and in a fight between Saturn and the three bullies I put my bets on the bullies. But sometimes Saturn puts up a good fight. Sometimes this fight is necessary, giving us a reality check and teaching us about healthy boundaries and allowing us to use our resources and talents to build something authentic of our lives. The three bullies don’t want to know from boundaries–every single one of them thinks boundaries are for kids. Chiron is where we are meant to turn the message of the outer planets around and learn to put our lessons to use in the world, feeding them back through Saturn again. But Chiron’s job isn’t an easy one.
What usually happens is that Chiron gets caught in the middle, and gets beaten up from both ends. This happens especially when we’re young, when Saturn just seems like a drag (stuff we have to do, or stuff that stops us from doing what we want to do) and the outer planets torment us because we don’t understand yet what they’re asking of us. We no sooner pick ourselves up from the pavement when we get smacked down again. We can’t win. Embrace Saturn, and the powerful entities knock down our houses. Embrace the bullies, and we may find ourselves swept up in a hurricane of perpetual drama, then abandoned, with nothing to show for it. No wonder Chiron is often hurt, dazed and punch drunk.
Chiron in Synastry:
Chiron’s wound is comprised of the inability to make anything constructive out of this argument. The outer planets inspire us, and Chiron hears soft, distant, enticing whisperings of life the way it could be, if only we could get it together. Yet whenever we get beyond our fears and make brave attempts to make our visions a reality, Saturn’s leaden foot comes around to stomp our delicate visions down. Where Chiron sits, we have a perpetual hunger: we can smell wonderful things going on in the kitchen, but no one offers us anything to eat.
When Chiron is prominent in a synastry, particularly if it makes conjunctions to relationship planets or hits an angle, both people are drawn into the relationship because the healing vibe is strong for both parties. We sense that something is missing in our lives, and we want it back, now. We may not recognize Chiron’s pull as a healing vibe, but we get the sense that this relationship is the only thing that can make us feel whole again, just in the place where we feel most empty and forlorn. This is very seductive. The other person promises to become the vehicle for all the transforming powers, our own personal conduit between the earth and the stars and back again. This person can deliver the goods that I didn’t think I would/could ever get. It’s not the illusion of spiritual melding that Neptune implies, or Uranus’s promise of perpetual stimulation. The initial vibe with Chiron contacts is deliverance: this person appeared in my life specifically to take me where I need to go. The implied thought being: ‘and I don’t have to be hungry anymore. This relationship is the answer. The Struggle Bus stops here.’
Chiron contacts are powerful and passionate at first, with the combined promise of innate hungers fulfilled and innate flaws mended. There is also a physical, earthy element to Chiron that taps into his animal nature, and Chiron contacts can be highly sexual. Like any planet or asteroid in the chart, Chiron has his good and bad side, and Chiron contacts indicate that a great deal of healing can be achieved. Unfortunately, the process involves hitting all the most sensitive, painful buttons whilst trying not to lose love for one another. Chiron can be a real test of the depth of feeling between two people, because the hurt, usually, is inadvertent. I’m not so much targeting you in a Plutonian way as I am constantly, accidentally, shredding your heart, because I can’t help it. Chiron contacts can be remarkably long-lived as well, depending on how much we have associated pain with love.
What begins of as a promise of wholeness often ends with a ruthless tearing–real healing can occur only when whatever is festering inside can be cleansed. Only then can a wound be closed. Chiron-dominant relationships provide this soul-searing. Without this cleansing, we cannot have the kind of inner balance that translates to spiritual strength. I’ve often noticed with Chiron-dominant relationships that one partner is more conscious and aware than the other, and it is this more aware partner who suffers the most from the partnership. Chiron, the wise healer and teacher, is always pushing us towards the awareness of what is best in us, and guiding us away from what is holding us back. This is Chiron the maker of heroes, who allows us to see the god within. Chiron in Synastry.
Hey Dawn,
Thanks for this post. A certain someone and I are communicating again, and hopefully past our first Chiron conflicts. The exchanges are still very tentative, though. I will refer back to this post over and over again. thanks again.
Great post, thanks for all the information you share with us. I agree with allhoney, I’ll read this again many times, no doubt. I have a question about the distinction (if there are any) between Chiron connections in partnership as opposed to teachers and mentors. My husband’s Chiron/MC is closely conjunct my North Node, square Venus and opposite my Pluto. There are many other Chiron aspects in our synastry as well, but just to give you an idea. A teacher who who has been tremendously influential and supportive (and has become a close friend) has very similar Chiron placement to my husband’s, so similar synastry with me (I don’t know where his angles fall). So… we are both adults close in age, nothing inappropriate here except a bit of confusion about this relationship. I’m just wondering if you can offer any thoughts on the distinctions between Chiron’s functions as a healer/teacher in actual teaching/mentoring situations and in romantic partnership (or if there’s any difference at all!). I must say, my confusion feels very Chirotic.
I hope this isn’t a superficial comment to make after such deep thoughts regarding, but I can’t believe I had never thought of Chiron aspects in student-teacher relationships.
I had a teacher with whom I share some Venus-Chiron aspects with. He has a Venus-NN conjunction in Taurus that makes a tight conjunction with my own Sun. My Venus in Pisces makes another tight conjunction with his Chiron in the 12th, where his Saturn-Sun conjunction is. He taught my art history class, and I had always felt as if his methods of communiction and how he expressed himself had a way of moving me. Privately, much like a school girl crush, I admired him for his artistic and poetic sensibilities. (It probably also had a lot to do with his teaching art history — a humanities class, and not something like math or science).
Outside of the classroom (and years after I had graduated), there was this weird, unspoken romantic or sexual relationship. I don’t quite know how to describe it, as is usually the case when Venus, Chiron, and Neptune (Pisces in both our charts) gets involved, but even with this quiet sexual pressure, our interactions seem sweet and tender; there is comfort and there feels as if trust has been built over many lifetimes.
I’m glad I discovered your blog, Dawn. Thank you for sharing your thoughts & I’ll be back for more. 🙂
Cheers!
Hi, Amerlia–If your confusion is about an attraction to your teacher, this is a very complicated situation and I couldn’t possibly comment without knowing the charts in their entirety, and taking a look at what else is going on with you. Chiron is very charismatic, especially when there are close contacts–no one talks about this much, but Chiron contacts are compelling. On the whole, the closer we are to someone, the more they have the capacity to hurt us–learning to be open and vulnerable is part of the lesson of intimacy. Sometimes, when there are blocks in the relationship, we may run away from this intimacy and develop attractions outside the partnership. With Chiron, we often sense how vulnerable we are, and we can turn our back on him, only to find someone else who will pull us towards Chiron in exactly the same manner. Inter-aspects can be compulsive that way, and these kinds of set ups are common, and are no accident.
In general, if we are talking purely about the teacher/student relationship alone, Chiron can be a great and devoted teacher, but the lessons often bring us to face our limitations, both in the subject matter that’s taught and in our capacity to broaden and open the mind. It’s painful if you don’t ‘get’ something–you feel all those Chiron feelings of exclusion and rejection.
If your North Node is drawing Chiron conjunctions, something is missing from your North Node orientation; either there’s a piece of the nodal story that you’re just not ‘getting’, or you have unacknowledged blockages surrounding that North Node. You may want to look at the South Node to find ways in which you may be limiting yourself and your experience.
Wow, thanks for the reply! Such a lot to think about. How about SN in Virgo conjunct Pluto in the 7th, for one blockage? Hard to fight that powerful pull! I do try to work with my nodal axis through creative work that requires total freedom, then a really good, obsessive edit. Took me a while to get there, though. In terms of relationships, I’m sure there’s plenty I’m not getting. It’s very hard for me to relate to Pisces NN but I’ve been trying (life doesn’t seem to allow for what it needs that often). Thanks again. I hope to do a reading with you one day soon.
SN in Virgo in the 7th is often about trying to maintain control regarding relationships, and the Pluto there will guarantee situations where you will be forced to let go. You also have to come to terms with your own self-sabotaging behaviours. It isn’t an easy nodal position to work with. Take a look at Neptune for guidance.
Yes, for sure, and Pluto is square Venus, lucky me.
Neptune in the 9th trine NN and quincunx Venus, which for me is the creative outlet I seek to make use of the compulsions.
Thank you, I get so much out of your blog.
What a beautifully written and insightful post, Dawn. It’s as if you’ve channeled some critical piece of divine information and managed to give it coherent form.
In the two most significant romantic relationships of my life, my Moon has been exactly conjunct my partner’s Chiron. The first relationship (young first love), though mostly illusionary, at least made me aware my unlimited potential for loving. It was dramatic, romantic and passionate, with both of us seemingly magnetically drawn to one another. It was FAR more painful for me, since I knew I could never live up to his view of me as angel/savior. Much as I wanted to, I knew I couldn’t save him. He’d disappear then reappear, off and on, for years until the attraction fizzled.
The second relationship (with my husband) has lasted decades and been much more mutually gratifying, if at times challenging. He’s been the one safe harbor in my life — the one person who sees all of my vulnerabilities and flaws and loves me anyway. There were times when I tried to make him go away (lol!), but he wouldn’t, and for that I’m grateful. I think for me my big unresolved “Moon issue” involved testing to make sure love was real.
And I believe I’ve played a major healing role in his life as well through my encouragement in helping him to overcome some of his more self-defeating behaviors. I see the best in him even when he doubts himself. Of course, we share other strong synastry aspects as well, but the Moon/Chiron connection seems significant.
Great post!
Forgot to mention that my Chiron is exactly conjunct my husband’s Pallas and quincunx his Moon.
Thank you for your thoughtful and revealing post. Chiron contacts tie us, emotionally and physically, to the greatest reaches and limitations of our own development. Moon/Chiron contacts are particularly intimate and revealing; the impetus to healing is so much stronger than we’re led to believe, and so much more erotic. I’ll be posting on Moon/Chiron in more detail soon.
hello,
please excuse my clumsy english. i’m not a native speaker – & 7 years in thailand haven’t helped that much to improve it 😉
i come across your text today by… chance/coincidence, just in right time? i think it’s one of the best pieces on chiron’s impact on relationships i’ve ever read. thanks a lot for sharing, Dawn!
i’m 47. i’ve chiron-conjunct-sun-conjunct-jupiter, in pisces, in 10th… i’ve lived with a 34 year old single mom for last 2 1/2 years – who has a deep, haunting abuse history. she has jupiter-conjunct-chiron in aries, in her 6th. i’m the first male in her life who’s actually nourishing her, supporting her – to grow & share her many unique skills. finally, this year (during jupiter/uranus in aries) she started to do her very own healing workshops. i was very happy 🙂
we’ve a couple of pluto & chiron aspects. my chiron conjuncts her sun… there’s other stuff.
i liked what you say, “Chiron contacts indicate that a great deal of healing can be achieved. Unfortunately, the process involves hitting all the most sensitive, painful buttons whilst trying not to lose love for one another. Chiron can be a real test of the depth of feeling between two people, because the hurt, usually, is inadvertent.” i found this to be very true.
due to some challenging transits we’re doomed to share 3rd time now [me: neptune & chiron opposition moon; she: neptune & chiron quincunx saturn + sesquisquare pluto/12th house]… it’s about to end. we can’t get in touch with each other as it triggers deep pain. nonetheless, love is there. but it’s being tested, transformed & purified.
exactly as you say, “What begins of as a promise of wholeness often ends with a ruthless tearing–real healing can occur only when whatever is festering inside can be cleansed. Only then can a wound be closed.”
& i agree on this one too, “I’ve often noticed with Chiron-dominant relationships that one partner is more conscious and aware than the other, and it is this more aware partner who suffers the most from the partnership.” 🙂
nonetheless, that kind of journey, relationships as an sacred arena for healing, offer the greatest gift: as you state marvelously, “This is Chiron the maker of heroes, who allows us to see the god within.”
again, thanks for sharing, Dawn 🙂
i haven’t read an inspiring post like this in a long time 🙂
Hello, Maverick–Your English is excellent, no apologies necessary. Thank you for being so open about your relationship; reading about these kinds of stories helps everyone learn.
And thank you for your kind words about the piece. I’ll be writing more about Chiron very soon.
Hi Dawn
congratulations on this excellent, thorough overview of Chiron.
Anne
Thanks, Anne.
Dawn,
My life partner’s (Betsy) Chiron (retrograde 21d Aries) is in between the conjunction of my Sun (23d Aries) and North Node (18d Aries) and in less than 1d (separating) opposition to my Moon and South Node (19d Libra). There is also a 4d (separating) trine with my Jupiter (retrograde) at 25d Leo. Her Chiron activates my 6th House and my energies activate her 4th House (Whole Sign System)
For her, my Chiron (0d Aries) aspects only one fairly tight orb with an inconjunct to her Uranus (29d Libra). There are two 7d orbs (both approaching): a trine with Neptune at 8d Sagittarius and opposition with Pluto at 8d Libra. My Chiron activates her 4th House and her energies activate my 6th House.
Based on what you have written above I would interpret my chart as impacting her Chiron more than vice versa (due to the tight orbs and the involvement of my Sun and Moon). Without a doubt, though, we have both been very healing for each other, having both escaped unhealthy marriages before we met. I have done extensive work with Chiron and find its “bridge” nature between Saturn and Uranus very enlightening in readings. I deeply appreciate your synastry perspective on this energy point.
Philip
Hi Dawn,
I’ve been meaning to ask if there is anything I should watch for when Chiron goes direct, but I’m pretty certain that I got my answer overnight.
This post strongly resonates with my experience of a relationship in which we have a highly aspected Chiron mutually. This is by far the most deepest and spiritual connection I’ve had thus far. We both have natal Chiron on the IC. It’s been a really sweet bond so far…deep intuitive understanding of each others wounding it seems, which has been very heart opening. His Chiron is exactly conjunct my Pisces Sun/mercury which is trine his 8th Cancer Sun/Moon and 12th Scorpio Neptune. His chiron also squares his 7th house Venus/mars but my Aries Venus/Chiron trines his 7th house Venus & Mars.
It really feels like we’ve connected with the main intention of healing ourselves, trying to understand the blocks we’ve felt related to Chiron, and work together to get beyond them. Our first date was merely a lengthy exchange of past wounding experiences from childhood with a strong mutual desire to transcend the limitations and really move forth into a more productive and creative life. We each seem to hold the missing link. Ironically, my progressed Sun is now on my natal chiron, and his progressed Moon is applying to his natal Chiron. Transit Chiron has been conjunct my Mars, and trine his Venus. All just seems to validate the timing of our connection. We both realize this is a fortunate relationship, yet seem to know it’s not going to be easy though worth every bit!
hey! thanks for this write-up! it’s really tough to find any info on chiron in synastry. if a man’s chiron squares a woman’s sun, mercury, venus, and mars, how would that relationship play out? her chiron is conjunct his venus and north node.
is it total repulsion? are there any saving graces to that union?
I wish I could help you, but this is too complicated a question to be handled in this space. Let’s say that a tremendous amount of healing is available for both, but not without delving into some very difficult areas and psychological patterns, particularly regarding self-worth.
Ok I have a very interesting aspect in a composit, I have a very interesting and special friendship we met online but we bounded instantly almost and getting along great and we are looking for an explanation for this attraction I would appreciated a lot if you can help me…
We have several very interesting aspect in the composit chart – 2 Yod’s between Venus-Moon-Pluto (focus point) and Pluto is in the 11 house Virgo
the second Yod is between Venus-Moon-Uranus (focus point) and Uranus is also in the 11 house in 0 degree Libra conjuncting the Pluto; That’s not all we have Chiron in Opposition whit the 2 focus point’s Uranus and Pluto a boomerang
– Uranus an Pluto conjuncting the south node
– Chiron, Jupiter and north node conjunction in the 5 house
– Saturn conjunct the ascendant
– Venus, Mercury and Sun conjunction in the 6 house aries
Still I just wanted to know about the aspect that Chiron does cause the topis is about Chiron I pointed out the other aspect just to show you that’s a very interesting composite.
And in my natal house I have sun,mercury and chiron conjunction in the 8 house Gemini.
Please help me if it’s possibile. 🙂
Hi Anna,
I’m sorry, but this is more than I can respond to properly in this space. You can’t look at a composite chart or interpret it without comparing it to the natals, and that is more than we can tackle here. Sorry.
Hi Dawn, Thank you for your amazing post on chiron. My bf and I for 3 yrs have chiron squaring sun, moon, merc, venus, jupiter both ways. It has been a very hurtful, loving and learning experience for us both. What are your thoughts on the squares with chiron. It feels like a ongoing process but the both of us have changed so much. The last time we broke up was for 6 months he ended up calling me and saying ” I love you and you have changed me the most” We are back together now for a year so far. Still have our learning to do but Wow have we both changed!
Hi Zara, Thank you for your kind words about the article. Chiron squares are much as you described, a long, slow process of painful change. However, where Chiron is concerned, the work is rewarded by wisdom. Sometimes, with Chiron squares, the worst of it is the ‘two steps forward, one step back’ nature of the process, and it’s easy to give up. However, the advantage of squares is that they are about specific issues–specific planets in specific houses that need resolution. It isn’t about the general tension that appears in other hard aspects. With squares, you can achieve some concrete progress. I’m happy it seems to have worked this way for you.
Interesting..
What about orbs,degrees? again ,tight is better ?
I have a crush on someone who has lung cancer despite of being young (Actually this crush is mutual) i find him very attractive while i also feel strong compassion for him.
I see that my chiron is in his ASC ,conjunct with with his Sun+Moon+Mercury+Venus. While his Chiron is in my IC ,conjunct with my Sun and jupiter but all the degrees are btwn 4 to 8.
He tells me that i have a “healing affect ” on him due to his cancer. I do want to heal him with my words,love but i also suffer of this “healing”…
When we met,he was already sick but without knowing his problem,he bewitched me the moment i saw him (his ASC conjuncts my Moon+venus+MArs.
I see now how chiron affect could be explained in synastry…..sigh….
my chiron makes an exact square with venus of the man i love.i wonder, will i heal his wounds or will he breake my heart?how will the process be?
It’s hard to tell without taking the entire charts into consideration, but one thing is certain–the relationship will make you face your own Venus/Chiron issues. Usually, this kind of interaction makes both people feel inadequate and incompetent is some way, and the exchange of hurt is mutual. But usually the person with Chiron involved is hurt more, because they see more. They have a tendency to fall for the other person’s potential, rather than accept the fact that they are limited and may not be acting according to the promise of the relationship. Even when it works, Chiron/Venus contacts can sting, because they get to the heart of what we can offer another human being.
i also have natal chiron square venus but in 4 degrees. chiron in the first house and venus in the 10th,near the 11th house.
sorry,i’m not a native speaker and couldn’t understand the sentence “. But usually the person with Chiron involved is hurt more” 🙁 does it mean that chiron person will be hurt?
Both people will be hurt, but the person carrying the Chiron will usually be hurt in the longer term. Fortunately, the hurt will also have more meaning and end up enriching the Chiron person’s understanding. Again, you have to take the whole charts into consideration, not just one aspect.
Great article! Could you explain the differences between a “good” synastry interaspect between Moon-Chiron, versus Venus-Chiron? By itself, which interaspect (Moon-Chiron or Venus-Chiron) has more impact in a romantic relationship? Which one means more depth and true love?
The difference between Moon/Chiron and Venus/Chiron is immense. Neither, by itself or in comparison is good or bad, and one is certainly not deeper or more of an indication of true love than the other. All Chiron aspects are challenging, whether they are hard or soft. They bring out where we are sensitive, vulnerable, and easily pained–the malformed bits of ourselves that we are trying to hide. And usually, the last person we want to see any of this is the one we love.
I’m just finishing up writing an ebook on Chiron in synastry, which will include much more information on the way Chiron affects relationships, including a chapter on Chiron/Moon. It will be on sale on this site at the end of October.
Thank you. I’ll look forward to buying the book.
Hi Zoey, I hope you understand that the reason I’m not giving you an answer is that the answer is too complicated to tackle in this space, and it does have to do with the fact that no one aspect is ‘better’ than another–it depends on what people do with them.
I recently began a relationship with an older man I work with. Chiron is strong between the two of us: my unaspected sun in virgo sits in between his pluto/uranus conjunction, and opposes his chiron in pisces. His venus/neptune conjunction in scorpio (also his chart ruler) opposes my chiron in taurus. We have an age difference of 19 years. The reaction from the environment has been wounding, and we have been somewhat scapegoated.
There is a distinct sensitivity to this bond. It is gutsy, instinctive, sensuous and loving, and occasionally wounding. As if we shoot arrows into eachother, unintentionally. And it hurts in my guts sometimes.
Are oppositions inherently more problematic? Also, he is a sagittarius sun.
Your article is very insightful, and, refreshingly, not as terrifyingly negative as many. Chiron, and the archetype associated with the myth, is very fascinating. We, as individuals, are so complex and layered.
Hi Dawn, I came across your article on Chiron while trying to learn more about significant Chiron aspects. What is the difference between Chiron conj. Sun and Chiron conj. Ascendant?
My mother’s Chiron is exactly conjunct my Scorpio ascendant. My teacher’s Chiron in Sagittarius conjuncts my Sun (1 degree orb), and that relationships has a completely different flavor. Does Chiron conj. Ascendant offer some hope for the negative relationship I have with my mother (my Scorpio moon in the 12th house opposing Chiron in Taurus)?
Hello, ES. I’m going to have articles on Chiron/Sun and Chiron/Angles up very soon. The Moon/Chiron connection is one of the most painful, because we never feel validated for who we are in our unique experience. When Chiron is involved with the Ascendant, Chiron experiences of rejection, being an outsider and being ostracized for our knowledge (and self-knowledge) begin to define who we are. Chiron on any angle carries the hope of evolution and growth, but that feeling of being the outsider in your own environment will always be there, hovering in the background.
Interesting. I just recently noticed I have strong chiron placements with several significant relationships. The first two were north node conjunct chiron: one was a composite north node conjunct my chiron, the second was my north node conjunct his chiron… the last is pluto (mine) conjunct (their) chiron.
So with the NN/Chiron. In the Composite NN/My Chiron relationship… there are also strong synastry and transitory NN connections (as well as South Node connections). This relationship has transformed many times. Though the hurts seemed to hit me harder, I feel that the relationship has also set me on a path of profound healing and evolution. It has also connected me to my higher purpose and he, his. What is interesting is that now it is evolving yet again into some semblance of peace after many years of difficulties. How this affected me… well, it unearthed all the issues associated with my chiron in gemini… and has now allowed me to work on those hurts and imbalances so that they better serve me.
The other Chiron NN relationship has manifested interestingly too. This person was instrumental on my path. There are several things happening in our synastry that relate, but largely, it seemed that he really felt vulnerable around me. At first this was great. I used to go to him for help in various healing capacities (as a confidant, and he was even literally a healer) but the growth that I gained from the relationship was largely related to his hurts. I saw how they didn’t serve him (or me) with incredible clarity. Sadly, this became too much for him… and it ended painfully, but it taught me a great deal and really gave me the next step of that north node karmic path. Several of the lessons I learned in that relationship were integral to overcoming many of the difficulties associated with my north node, so in a sense, it was very good for me.
The final relationship is still a new one but I see it manifesting. I came here for some clarification but I’ll just put down what I feel thusfar. This person’s taurus nn is conjunct my sun and his chiron is conjunct my pluto in scorpio. As I get to know him more it is more and more evident that my role in his life pertains to healing deep, even unacknowledged hurts of past relationships. We have a gigantic age difference so this sort of blows me away… but yet it’s there.
anyway, I just wanted to share some of my experiences in case it helped others who have the same conjunctions 🙂
Thank you all for sharing….
I´d like to understand A´s chiron exact conjunction with B´s sun/moon midpoint. And what if the solar return ascendant ist also exactly on this point?
Any clues?
It’s impossible to judge the soli-lunar midpoint without looking at the positions of the sun and moon and their phasal relationship. However, the Chiron person may feel responsible for the growth of the other individual, and may provide support and sustenance at great sacrifice to him or herself. He or She may be a teacher or a guide. The solar return ascendant falling there merely activates this theme for the year.
I really enjoyed reading this article. You explain Chiron in such a way that helps me embrace the pain with hope and determination. Reassuring me that like the pheonix I will rise out of the ashes new, stronger, and healed. Thank you so much for providing this information for people like me. You are a great teacher of astrology and your understanding of the planets is remarkable. Although it doesn’t take the pain away atleast I now have a better understanding of this process I’m going through. My ascendant is in Taurus conjunct chiron which is also Opposite venus in scorpio in 7th house. My ex-partner also has chiron in taurus in the 3rd house square his ascendant Opposite his moon and mercury and trine his venus in capricorn, In synastry his chiron is opposite my moon, venus and saturn, And my chiron is opposite his sun, mercury and uranus. I really don’t know what none of that means, but reading your article gave me a better understanding of chiron and why I feel like this guy is slowing but not even intentionally hurting me. Thanks again.
I have a unsual connection to a guy friend at work.
I have chiron conjunct his sun, mercury and mars.
And he has his chiron conjunct my south node.
How will this play out and whats my connection to him about? Thank you anyone.
If it were simply a connection between your Chiron and his Sun, Mercury, Mars, I would say that he could act as a guide for you to heal your Chiron issues, whatever they may be. The Sun can be a very healing force on the Chiron person, and can shed light on issues you may not know are holding you back from fully being yourself. He may give the impression of being the kind of person who can do everything you cannot, and yet he senses your vulnerability and doesn’t take advantage of it. You may also see things in him that you have the potential to heal and teach. However, this can get touchy if he continues to fly and you are left limping (Chiron) in the background. Chiron provides wisdom and understanding, but sometimes those people who have planets conjunct our Chiron do not sense our value, and sometimes, our Chiron can act as a nagging force, making them feel as though they aren’t good enough the way they are.
With Chiron on the South Node, these issues of healing and teaching may have happened between you in previous lives, and you have an opportunity to correct any mishaps or misunderstandings that may have occurred previously.
I am having a mutual aspects where my chiron conjuns his Neptune and his chiron/venus conj trines my neptune. this person is much younger then me, his sun/mars conj sits on my 7th house cusp. He is younger then my son and he doesn’t care about the age difference his uranus opp venus/chiron. I know Neptune plays a role in love but the realtionship has a mind of it’s own and my heart loves him without regard to our age difference. I hope the best for us both comes out of this interaction. Any tthoughts on this?
The best route for Neptune is loving unconditionally, and that might mean loving without actually having the person in your life. You have a powerful attraction with that Sun/Mars conjunction, but the charts need more than that for a successful partnership. I would need to have all the data to comment further.
hi Dawn,
very nice article again! I just like to know what about oppositions? My moon opposes my friends chiron, but my friends moon sextile my chiron. Does this mean that heis moon can be a good influence (healer) on my chiron but my moon can not help his? Because i really do not want to hurt his feelings? What is interesting that we have about 4 aspects between planets in each of our charts but only his planets make a harmonius aspects with my planets but my planets are either opposition or semi square. Does it mean i can not have a good healing affect on him? (altough that is true even his harmonius aspects in a way very smoothing on me because i feel his very caring nature but it is still painful because the whole case is complicated! But the point is that I do not want to hurt him any further only help him. Does it mean what you said that usually one of the partners are more aware! Does it mean it is his chiron because he has the harmonius aspects with my planets? Thank you Dawn!
Dawn, Great insightful explanation. Thank very much! even just read your article, is, kind of healing, I feel. What about Chiron square Chiron with 2 degree? Actually my chiron also conj. my saturn with2 degree in Pisces. There is great age difference between us, and the push and pull is so confusing, sweet but also hurtful… any help would be highly appreciated!
Chiron/Chiron squares are not usually very significant between charts. It means we need to learn different lessons via Chiron. Chiron/Saturn could be complicated, because one person has Saturn duties to fulfill in this lifetime (which are extremely important for self-mastery and satisfaction) but the Chiron person has to go beyond this duty to discover another level of contribution. They may have to go down different roads in order to achieve what each one must accomplish.
Forgot, my chiron conj. saturn in Pisces Square his mars exact conj. his eros in Gemini too, to make it more complicate… Thanks again
dawn, thank you so much for your wisdom! i found your site after googling “moon conjunct chiron in synastry” and i have enjoyed reading many of your posts but the chiron-moon article seems to be missing. i hope you still plan to write a part two on chiron-moon, i would love to hear your insight.
Yes, it’s coming up. I’m afraid I’ve been spending my time teaching and doing research recently, but rest assured that new material is coming soon.
I have natal chiron in leo in the 8th house. in aspect, i have the sesquisquare my ascendant (capricorn), and trine sun/venus (3rd house), also trine NN, square moon/pluto (10th house), and lastly biquintile mercury (2nd)…. any thoughts on this anyone? 🙂 much appreciated.
great articale- thank you dawn!
what would chiron conjunct composite northe node?
we also have venus conjunct chiron ascendant synastry…
Healing becomes a huge part of the relationship. Understanding that the pain of love is just as valuable as the joy of it.
Hi, great article! It was very through and answered a lot of questions for me and more. I did not even think of some of this yet lol.
I recently had a reading done to search my future work and found Chiron conjunct my Sun in Sagit. in my 5th house. It is a 5 degree orb. Since Scorpio is my official 5th house i have Ceres in Sco.there too. I will begin studying Reiki next month and have already found a teacher – Sagit. also lol :))
Also I will be studying Astrology too since this is my first love since my teenage days.
Hi Dawn,
I’m rereading your articles, and still loving them. I do have a question though, and forgive me if it is answered in another article. How does Chiron manifest when it is on the ascendant of the composite chart, but in the first house?
Unfortunately, Chiron dominates the relationship. It can mean a relationship meant to heal, or a relationship where we must get over hurting one another. The push for spiritual wisdom is strong, and the need to get over the limitations of the ego and personal need.
Hi Dawn,
Please what is your view on Chiron conjunct Juno in synastry. I have this double whammy with someone I really like.
We also have this conjunct in our composite and Davison chart which includes a stellium of Sun, Jupiter, Mercury and NN in Gemini.
While there is still not a lot of evidence about on Chiron and the major asteroids, we have been researching them. When Chiron pairs with Juno, the result is what can be described as ‘bittersweet.’ A necessity to be together, in spite of the pain and difficulty; a need for mutual growth (especially with the double whammy), and the idea that something of the ego will be sacrificed if the partership is to succeed. True equality may be attained only at great price.
Chiron/Juno often has trouble with balance and fairness within the relationship; there is a tendency for one partner to dominate, or a seesaw effect to occur. It may be necessary for you to grow together, but it won’t be easy. You may have to touch what is most painful deep within before you get to the healing part.
Juno is not conjunct chiron in the Davison chart by the way, correction.
But Chiron is the apex of the yod formed in the Davison chart (Pluto sextile Neptune base)
Oh my,
Thanks a lot Dawn. I’m amazed and glad you mentioned the word “ego”. It’s like you’ve seen our natal chart. He has massive stellium in Leo which includes all personal planets while I myself have an Aries sun Leo decan Scorpio duad.
Really hard for me to bend to anyone’s will without getting much back (Pluto conjunct descendant).
There is a necessity there to be together. We can both tell between each and retract whenever any hurting words are used unintentionally. As an 12th house stellium, I will definitely take your advice and let go of the ego.
Thanks love x
Hi Dawn,
What about a Chiron/Lilith conjunction in a composite first house?
I’m afraid this is complicated and depends a great deal on what these two are doing in the natals.
My current relationship has my natal jupiter Chiron conjunction in cancer in my 3rd house conjunct his descendant, trine his mars. His chiron in falls in his 6th house in Gemini and is part of a stellium involving his sun, mercury and Venus. His Chiron is to the degree square my Venus and sextile my moon with a 2 degree separation. Hoping you’ll help me make more sense of these aspects. This article is by far the most informative info I’ve read on chiron
You can’t analyze Chiron in between charts until you see what impact it has in both natal charts. Some people are very Chiron sensitive, others are not. You need a degree of introspection and sensitivity to be receptive to Chiron, as you do with the major asteroids. Remember that Chiron is not a planet, and does not really behave with a planet’s clear archetypal aggression. Chiron is receptive. It’s hard to predict how it will manifest without natal analysis.
I ran across your site earlier this week by accident and tonight again while I was searching for information regarding Chiron. I just have to say,
BRAVO!!!!
I’ve been reading up on Chiron and the other astroids, specifically, for almost a year. This is the first thing I’ve read bout Chiron in synastry that truly resonates with what I’ve intuited about the wounded healer. I’ve read so many articles and blog posts claiming that chiron in synastry is nothing but “lay on the floor crying for God pain” — and yes, I can see that, if you are not willing to face the part of yourself that needs healing. What is missing from all of those posts is the totality of Chiron’s nature. Like you said, Chiron, the father of medicine, was foremost a teacher and a healer.
I love the way you explain Chiron as a pivotal point between the inner and outer planets. That makes so much sense! I can’t wait to read more of your work! XOXOXOX
Hello and thank you for insightful article and valuable information on Chiron.
I am currently in a sort of attraction to a female (as myself) where her chiron conjuct my IC and her Saturn conjuct MC.. i wonder if this can be quite harsh in terms of the inner being which IC represents?
I also wonder about her north node conjuct my north node and my chiron which also conjuct my lillith?
i wonder what lillith conjuct chiron conjuct my natal south node can mean for me personally as well.. ?
I feel somehow quite familiar in accepting wounding as part of growing in life but also the need to step out of it.( Also related to the uranus conjuct my natal north node)
Sorry for a bunch of questions but I find it hard locate much information on chiron in synastry so thankful for any reflections.
Warm wishes,
Kristin
I’m sorry Kristin. You would need a full reading to make sense of these positions. It’s impossible to interpret aspects without relating them to the rest of the chart.
* Sorry, i ment her north node conjuct my south node and my chiron and lillith 🙂
Lillith conjuct chiron puzzels me a bit..
Warm wishes,
Kristin