Comments on: Soul Points in Synastry: The Vertex versus the Nodes (Part Two) http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two Astrology with Dawn Bodrogi Wed, 01 May 2013 16:56:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: marion http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-5069 marion Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:58:11 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-5069 I recently met a man whose VERTEX axis SQUARE my NODE axis within minutes. Comparing his story and mine with regards to past relationships..it is strangely similar....all pointing to transits. In summer 1994, when, Saturn crossed his vertex (squaring my node), we both embarked on serious relationships under subtly coerced conditions. In summer 2009 (15 years later) when Saturn transited opposite that point, we both seperated from our spouses unexpectedly. In autumn 2012 when, Jupiter transited over my nodes squaring his vertex, we met for the first time. In a few weeks days from now, jupiter will retrack that point again (due to Rx), while saturn will transit our composite Sun, let us see what happens!!! I recently met a man whose VERTEX axis SQUARE my NODE axis within minutes. Comparing his story and mine with regards to past relationships..it is strangely similar….all pointing to transits.
In summer 1994, when, Saturn crossed his vertex (squaring my node), we both embarked on serious relationships under subtly coerced conditions.
In summer 2009 (15 years later) when Saturn transited opposite that point, we both seperated from our spouses unexpectedly.
In autumn 2012 when, Jupiter transited over my nodes squaring his vertex, we met for the first time.
In a few weeks days from now, jupiter will retrack that point again (due to Rx), while saturn will transit our composite Sun, let us see what happens!!!

]]> By: Indi Iri http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3410 Indi Iri Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:48:09 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3410 Dawn, thank You so kindly for bringing in more clarity. The touch of angles feel exactly as you described. But then, as you mentioned, this alone is not bringing commitment. We seem to have been unable to commit throughout the years, but then we can't let it go either. I am really willing to understand what is going on. While reading some of your articles today, I tried to check the information I was learning in the charts. I found his Saturn falling in my 2nd house while my saturn falls in his 8th house (my saturn square his neptun, I feel this is a dominant aspect between us – I have this aspect in my natal as well). Then I found both his north node and Jupiter falling in my 1st house, while I myself have north node and Jupiter in the first, and my jupiter falling in his 7th, while he has his Jupiter there. Then I saw my moon (in 7th house) falling in his 1st house, where he has an empty field (my moon squares his mercury). Do you think I might be in the right track looking it here? Dawn, thank You so kindly for bringing in more clarity. The touch of angles feel exactly as you described. But then, as you mentioned, this alone is not bringing commitment. We seem to have been unable to commit throughout the years, but then we can’t let it go either. I am really willing to understand what is going on.
While reading some of your articles today, I tried to check the information I was learning in the charts. I found his Saturn falling in my 2nd house while my saturn falls in his 8th house (my saturn square his neptun, I feel this is a dominant aspect between us – I have this aspect in my natal as well). Then I found both his north node and Jupiter falling in my 1st house, while I myself have north node and Jupiter in the first, and my jupiter falling in his 7th, while he has his Jupiter there. Then I saw my moon (in 7th house) falling in his 1st house, where he has an empty field (my moon squares his mercury). Do you think I might be in the right track looking it here?

]]> By: Judit http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3409 Judit Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:52:43 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3409 This is a short video that has helped me understand how to calculate the position of the Vertex by showing how to find the Prime Vertical, whose 2 meeting points with the ecliptic will mark the Vertex in the western and anti-Vertex in the eastern parts in a chart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcek1lvsV8 This is a short video that has helped me understand how to calculate the position of the Vertex by showing how to find the Prime Vertical, whose 2 meeting points with the ecliptic will mark the Vertex in the western and anti-Vertex in the eastern parts in a chart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcek1lvsV8

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3405 Dawn Bodrogi Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:36:06 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3405 Contacts to the South Node are no guarantee of longevity. Usually, the Node person has something to work out regarding the planet person, or the planet person is very important for a time and then the relationship moves on. There is no guarantee of longevity with axis contacts, either, but what we remember is the deep resonance of having the angles touched; it is intimate and fulfilling in a very deep way, we feel that we are really known. However, this isn't enough to sustain a relationship, and if you still have feelings for the other person it isn't because of the angles, but something else between your charts. You'll have to discover what that is, and why it is still haunting you. Contacts to the South Node are no guarantee of longevity. Usually, the Node person has something to work out regarding the planet person, or the planet person is very important for a time and then the relationship moves on.

There is no guarantee of longevity with axis contacts, either, but what we remember is the deep resonance of having the angles touched; it is intimate and fulfilling in a very deep way, we feel that we are really known. However, this isn’t enough to sustain a relationship, and if you still have feelings for the other person it isn’t because of the angles, but something else between your charts. You’ll have to discover what that is, and why it is still haunting you.

]]> By: Indi Iri http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3401 Indi Iri Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:45:57 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3401 Hi! in the moment I feel my heart pulled/stretched among two karmic relationships: I have tight "angle contacts" with one man (my Vertex Axis mirrors his Vertex Axis, my AC/DC mirrors his AC/DC (0°49) and my sun squares his NN in the 7th house (0°23) and I have tight NN contacts with another men (both his sun and moon oppose my NN, conjuncting thus the SN, my venus conjuncts his NN and my jupiter sextils it). The man I described first is someone I know for a very long time – we were long together, but are not a couple anymore since two years. It seems however impossible for me to really detach myself from him – we are no longer together, but I still have a friendship with him and yes, deep feelings. The relationship is not that difficult as it used to be, but sometimes still painful, although we are now friends. The second man I described, is my boyfriend: the relationship brings me a lot of comfort and we understand each other really well. There is a much "lighter" atmosphere is a number of ways. I sure have feelings for him, but I don't seem to be able to get deeper, because the strong connection with the first one remains. I have been thinking about letting go of this beautiful relationship I have now, because I feel somehow dishonest, for still holding feelings for the other one. In my experience, the AC/DC and Vx/Anti-Vx seem stronger than NN contacts... I would be very thankful to hear something about this, if you feel like saying something. Hi!

in the moment I feel my heart pulled/stretched among two karmic relationships: I have tight “angle contacts” with one man (my Vertex Axis mirrors his Vertex Axis, my AC/DC mirrors his AC/DC (0°49) and my sun squares his NN in the 7th house (0°23) and I have tight NN contacts with another men (both his sun and moon oppose my NN, conjuncting thus the SN, my venus conjuncts his NN and my jupiter sextils it).

The man I described first is someone I know for a very long time – we were long together, but are not a couple anymore since two years. It seems however impossible for me to really detach myself from him – we are no longer together, but I still have a friendship with him and yes, deep feelings. The relationship is not that difficult as it used to be, but sometimes still painful, although we are now friends.
The second man I described, is my boyfriend: the relationship brings me a lot of comfort and we understand each other really well. There is a much “lighter” atmosphere is a number of ways. I sure have feelings for him, but I don’t seem to be able to get deeper, because the strong connection with the first one remains.

I have been thinking about letting go of this beautiful relationship I have now, because I feel somehow dishonest, for still holding feelings for the other one. In my experience, the AC/DC and Vx/Anti-Vx seem stronger than NN contacts…

I would be very thankful to hear something about this, if you feel like saying something.

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3062 Dawn Bodrogi Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:21:50 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3062 Hi Jules. Is this the one. No. Is anyone 'the one?' No. I could no more tell whether this is a significant relationship for you by this truncated list of aspects (never mind 'the one') than you could tell me my cat's name by looking at the sentence I just wrote here. Astrology, no matter how good it is, has it's limitations, and one of them is not being able to determine what is or is not a potential long term relationship. We can see intense attractions, we can see intense bonding and deep psychological interplay. We can even see why someone is in our lives from a spiritual point of view. But whether the relationship is for six, sixteen or sixty years we never know. (There are progressed techniques which can give you a range of relationship, but that is a delicate business.) All of this angle/node/vertex action between you indicates attraction, but how long that lasts is another matter. You need something more than this, something softer, something more stable, to weather the storms. You would find it a lot more helpful to focus on your own Desc/Neptune conjunction. It expects ideals in relationship that are unrealistic. It is prone to fantasy, excuses and self-deception. It is also prone to secrecy and victimization. Sort out what is real from what is fantasy and projection. Try to deal with partnerships in a more realistic, less enchanted light. Then you will be able to work within a mature and equal partnership that will last the test of time (Saturn). Hi Jules. Is this the one. No. Is anyone ‘the one?’ No. I could no more tell whether this is a significant relationship for you by this truncated list of aspects (never mind ‘the one’) than you could tell me my cat’s name by looking at the sentence I just wrote here.

Astrology, no matter how good it is, has it’s limitations, and one of them is not being able to determine what is or is not a potential long term relationship. We can see intense attractions, we can see intense bonding and deep psychological interplay. We can even see why someone is in our lives from a spiritual point of view. But whether the relationship is for six, sixteen or sixty years we never know. (There are progressed techniques which can give you a range of relationship, but that is a delicate business.) All of this angle/node/vertex action between you indicates attraction, but how long that lasts is another matter. You need something more than this, something softer, something more stable, to weather the storms.

You would find it a lot more helpful to focus on your own Desc/Neptune conjunction. It expects ideals in relationship that are unrealistic. It is prone to fantasy, excuses and self-deception. It is also prone to secrecy and victimization. Sort out what is real from what is fantasy and projection. Try to deal with partnerships in a more realistic, less enchanted light. Then you will be able to work within a mature and equal partnership that will last the test of time (Saturn).

]]> By: Jules&Jon http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-3060 Jules&Jon Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:42:16 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-3060 Curiosity: My previous soulmate's north node is conjunct my ascendant and the relationship did not work out after six years and mostly due to his ex wife venus falling also on his north node. My current soulmate's north node and Sun is conjunct my DESCENDANT/neptune conjunction. Also, and maybe scary, my lilith conjuncts his descendant/jupiter/chiron conjunction and vice versa, his lilith conjuncts my chiron. Also, my vertex/mars conjunct his ascendant. And, lastly, my south node conjuncts his first house uranus. Is this the one? Thanks Curiosity: My previous soulmate’s north node is conjunct my ascendant and the relationship did not work out after six years and mostly due to his ex wife venus falling also on his north node.
My current soulmate’s north node and Sun is conjunct my DESCENDANT/neptune conjunction. Also, and maybe scary, my lilith conjuncts his descendant/jupiter/chiron conjunction and vice versa, his lilith conjuncts my chiron. Also, my vertex/mars conjunct his ascendant. And, lastly, my south node conjuncts his first house uranus. Is this the one? Thanks

]]> By: Nobody http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-2925 Nobody Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:09:10 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-2925 But I did not mention anything about the rulers? I mentioned 'Sun' and 'Moon' because you said that the nodes 'consist of the relationship of the sun and moon from the earth' :-) But I did not mention anything about the rulers?

I mentioned ‘Sun’ and ‘Moon’ because you said that the nodes ‘consist of the relationship of the sun and moon from the earth’
:-)

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-2897 Dawn Bodrogi Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:53:55 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-2897 Hi, Nobody-- You've hit on some very big topics here, but I think you are a bit mistaken about the Moon's Nodes and its rulers. We all contain many contradictions within us--as the poet Walt Whitman once wrote, "I contain multitudes." So there does not necessarily have to be agreement between the Moon and the Nodes, any more than it does between Sun/Moon, Sun/Ascendant, or the rulers of ends of the angles. The contrasts are what make us interesting. You have hit on something crucial with the Moon aspecting the Nodes, however, and I will be writing about that in detail in the near future. Hi, Nobody–

You’ve hit on some very big topics here, but I think you are a bit mistaken about the Moon’s Nodes and its rulers. We all contain many contradictions within us–as the poet Walt Whitman once wrote, “I contain multitudes.” So there does not necessarily have to be agreement between the Moon and the Nodes, any more than it does between Sun/Moon, Sun/Ascendant, or the rulers of ends of the angles. The contrasts are what make us interesting.

You have hit on something crucial with the Moon aspecting the Nodes, however, and I will be writing about that in detail in the near future.

]]> By: Nobody http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus-the-nodes-part-two/#comment-2887 Nobody Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:42:28 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=1857#comment-2887 >>Moon/Node, whether progressed or otherwise, is a very intimate conjunction. The nodal person will feel the entire psyche of the other drawing them forward. << My Sun and Moon are in fire signs but my node falls along Feminine signs- Can/Cap. I have never had/could have a close LONG term friendship with people having their Moon in Water or Earth signs because of obvious incompatibility..The sense of familiarity and 'we like similar things' isn't recognized in their company. I seriously think people are lucky when their moon sign is in a compatible element to their nodal signs..so that when someone's moon forms a conjunction to the axis you get two for one ( how greedy am i ..!) And since hard aspects are given more importance..perhaps one would have significant relationships (if they seek compatibility too) only with people with Moon squaring their nodal axis?(But then significance is measured by so many other things I am sure :-/) Now for something personal : My Sister's moon in Libra exactly squares my node and I do feel she somehow has no sensitivity/respect for my inner life and where I come from (though that could be coz of other factors :-/ ) I am really curious how does a moon square node workout? Is it a rude aspect? Can there be intimacy in it? Is it a subtle "sign of something" when people have their sun-moon incompatible with their own nodes.? >>Moon/Node, whether progressed or otherwise, is a very intimate conjunction. The nodal person will feel the entire psyche of the other drawing them forward. <<

My Sun and Moon are in fire signs but my node falls along Feminine signs- Can/Cap. I have never had/could have a close LONG term friendship with people having their Moon in Water or Earth signs because of obvious incompatibility..The sense of familiarity and 'we like similar things' isn't recognized in their company.

I seriously think people are lucky when their moon sign is in a compatible element to their nodal signs..so that when someone's moon forms a conjunction to the axis you get two for one ( how greedy am i ..!)

And since hard aspects are given more importance..perhaps one would have significant relationships (if they seek compatibility too) only with people with Moon squaring their nodal axis?(But then significance is measured by so many other things I am sure :-/)

Now for something personal : My Sister's moon in Libra exactly squares my node and I do feel she somehow has no sensitivity/respect for my inner life and where I come from (though that could be coz of other factors :-/ )

I am really curious how does a moon square node workout? Is it a rude aspect? Can there be intimacy in it? Is it a subtle "sign of something" when people have their sun-moon incompatible with their own nodes.?

]]>