Comments on: The Progressed Moon/Transiting Saturn Cycle in Synastry (Part One) http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one Astrology with Dawn Bodrogi Wed, 01 May 2013 16:56:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1035 Dawn Bodrogi Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:28:39 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1035 The second progressed lunar return begins the work that is initiated at the Chiron return we all have at age 50. The Chiron return is not the big party it's cracked up to be. At the Chiron return, we acknowledge our mortality and, if we're living consciously, we need to be thinking about what kind of legacy we will leave behind us. We know we don't have infinite time to accomplish things anymore, so we begin to focus on what we can do, what contributions can we make to the world around us. When the second progressed lunar return occurs, a few years later, we should be ready to rearrange our lives. Again, it's about shedding the past, but it's about not carrying anything that we don't need. Sometimes people make radical changes at the second return--they make new lives for themselves, pursue new goals. It can be a very exciting time if we're willing to let go and find new avenues for expression. At this time, we need to begin to work on making our lives mean something, and the lunar return can help us carry that out. The second progressed lunar return begins the work that is initiated at the Chiron return we all have at age 50. The Chiron return is not the big party it’s cracked up to be. At the Chiron return, we acknowledge our mortality and, if we’re living consciously, we need to be thinking about what kind of legacy we will leave behind us. We know we don’t have infinite time to accomplish things anymore, so we begin to focus on what we can do, what contributions can we make to the world around us. When the second progressed lunar return occurs, a few years later, we should be ready to rearrange our lives. Again, it’s about shedding the past, but it’s about not carrying anything that we don’t need. Sometimes people make radical changes at the second return–they make new lives for themselves, pursue new goals. It can be a very exciting time if we’re willing to let go and find new avenues for expression. At this time, we need to begin to work on making our lives mean something, and the lunar return can help us carry that out.

]]> By: Les http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1031 Les Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:41:07 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1031 I imagine that the second progressed lunar return is quite different? The second Saturn return is years later in that case. My progressed Moon recently entered my 12th house, and since my natal Moon is conjunct my Ascendant, my lunar return will happen when the pMoon moves out of my 12th. At the same time, my progressed Sun will conjunct my progressed Jupiter (both already in my 4th house). I was glad to see that you talk about progressed planet aspects with other progressed planets as I haven't found much on this. Anyway, should be an interesting time! (Also, about a year later my progressed Ascendant changes signs to Libra.) I imagine that the second progressed lunar return is quite different? The second Saturn return is years later in that case. My progressed Moon recently entered my 12th house, and since my natal Moon is conjunct my Ascendant, my lunar return will happen when the pMoon moves out of my 12th. At the same time, my progressed Sun will conjunct my progressed Jupiter (both already in my 4th house). I was glad to see that you talk about progressed planet aspects with other progressed planets as I haven’t found much on this. Anyway, should be an interesting time! (Also, about a year later my progressed Ascendant changes signs to Libra.)

]]> By: Hayley http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1025 Hayley Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:42:11 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1025 I look forward to reading your book! I look forward to reading your book!

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1024 Dawn Bodrogi Sun, 05 Jun 2011 00:21:51 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1024 Hayley, The progressed new moon is probably the most important progression we experience. It's impact as a new beginning is much stronger than the lunar return--the lunar return is about shedding the old and gradually stepping into the new, whereas the progressed new moon is a major turning point in life. There will be a lot of new material on the progressed new moon, and the rest of its cycle, in the book The Inner Wheel, which will be available in the winter. Hayley, The progressed new moon is probably the most important progression we experience. It’s impact as a new beginning is much stronger than the lunar return–the lunar return is about shedding the old and gradually stepping into the new, whereas the progressed new moon is a major turning point in life. There will be a lot of new material on the progressed new moon, and the rest of its cycle, in the book The Inner Wheel, which will be available in the winter.

]]> By: Hayley http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1023 Hayley Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:07:38 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1023 Hi Dawn, I seeee. I was under the impression you were talking about The progressed new moon cycle where the Progressed sun is conjunct the Progressed moon. I have never looked at the progressed lunar return? I must say that with almost my whole chart progressed into sag in my second house all conjunct and starting to trine my Mc.... I am very much in a different state of mind... and My career fills as if its about to fly. I am a film and tv composer. I have been working my whole life at it.. and its been hard as hell! As I am a libra with scorpio rising with a stellium in the 12th and first. So its all moved out of Scorpio and into to Sag and the second.. I feel like a Sag.... not the heavy, intense scorpio, that has been where all my planets have been most of my life! So I have been reading up on how the progressed new moon works.This will be my second in this lifetime. At the first one, I started my career as a composer. So interesting to see how it works! thanx for your great work! I love reading your blog Hayley Hi Dawn,

I seeee. I was under the impression you were talking about The progressed new moon cycle where the Progressed sun is conjunct the Progressed moon. I have never looked at the progressed lunar return?

I must say that with almost my whole chart progressed into sag in my second house all conjunct and starting to trine my Mc…. I am very much in a different state of mind… and My career fills as if its about to fly. I am a film and tv composer. I have been working my whole life at it.. and its been hard as hell! As I am a libra with scorpio rising with a stellium in the 12th and first. So its all moved out of Scorpio and into to Sag and the second.. I feel like a Sag…. not the heavy, intense scorpio, that has been where all my planets have been most of my life! So I have been reading up on how the progressed new moon works.This will be my second in this lifetime. At the first one, I started my career as a composer. So interesting to see how it works!

thanx for your great work! I love reading your blog

Hayley

]]> By: Maggie http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1018 Maggie Sat, 04 Jun 2011 19:08:25 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1018 Thank you Dawn. it is exactly what I want to hear, because the insanity of it all is what makes it so maddening! I saw what I was told by him to believe, yet something inside me told me differently...remember this was over an ocean or two, as in letters, then much later emails...but yes, I see that I was also wanting the Prince he wanted to be as well..what a joke love is, eh? One minute it is all so glorius, the rest it is all about your own unconscious sneaking in there yet again..one can be decieved by too much inner searching too...believe me. I can get with this answer understanding you haven't seen the two charts, and I can see what lies I am telling myself, such as believing in love as the so called "answer"...but let us truely be honest...the only answer is SELF as the Godself, and when you get there...what you find is the life, all you look for and into was a made up dream, all an illusion of this so called material world...it goes on and on...like the beat of a heart...meaningful, meaningless...Pisces in Neptune has entered my second house, no planets there but Neptune natally in Libra 28 degrees in the 9th..can you tell? Thanks for the inner look! Maggie xx Thank you Dawn. it is exactly what I want to hear, because the insanity of it all is what makes it so maddening! I saw what I was told by him to believe, yet something inside me told me differently…remember this was over an ocean or two, as in letters, then much later emails…but yes, I see that I was also wanting the Prince he wanted to be as well..what a joke love is, eh? One minute it is all so glorius, the rest it is all about your own unconscious sneaking in there yet again..one can be decieved by too much inner searching too…believe me. I can get with this answer understanding you haven’t seen the two charts, and I can see what lies I am telling myself, such as believing in love as the so called “answer”…but let us truely be honest…the only answer is SELF as the Godself, and when you get there…what you find is the life, all you look for and into was a made up dream, all an illusion of this so called material world…it goes on and on…like the beat of a heart…meaningful, meaningless…Pisces in Neptune has entered my second house, no planets there but Neptune natally in Libra 28 degrees in the 9th..can you tell? Thanks for the inner look! Maggie xx

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1017 Dawn Bodrogi Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:58:40 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1017 Hi, Maggie. No, this isn't the right thread, I think you wanted the MC/IC in synastry articles, but I will answer here anyway. From everything you wrote, you already know the answer--yes, the Neptune factor is to blame. It would take a complete analysis to understand why the themes are repeating. We have to begin to understand that trines are not always all good. Trines allow things to flow, allow things to happen. If you add angular Neptune, you're getting a lot of confused energy filtering through those angles. Your Moon/IC connection is very intense, especially with Saturn there. But folks who have Neptune rising don't always have the clearest picture of their actions or motivations. And his Neptune falling on your MC means that you are capable of seeing whatever you want to see where he is concerned, not what actually is. His Neptune on your MC means that the two of you may have a hard time dealing with the realities of the external world, as far as the relationship is concerned. It isn't that his feelings for you aren't legitimate (when you're around). Neptune can be deceptive and illusive without knowing it; it's Neptune's job to create illusions and then to shatter the innocence. When we're betrayed by others we are always betraying ourselves in some way, first. Try to figure out where you've been deceiving yourself, what falsehoods you've been hanging on to, and you will begin to understand why this happened. Hi, Maggie. No, this isn’t the right thread, I think you wanted the MC/IC in synastry articles, but I will answer here anyway. From everything you wrote, you already know the answer–yes, the Neptune factor is to blame. It would take a complete analysis to understand why the themes are repeating. We have to begin to understand that trines are not always all good. Trines allow things to flow, allow things to happen. If you add angular Neptune, you’re getting a lot of confused energy filtering through those angles. Your Moon/IC connection is very intense, especially with Saturn there. But folks who have Neptune rising don’t always have the clearest picture of their actions or motivations. And his Neptune falling on your MC means that you are capable of seeing whatever you want to see where he is concerned, not what actually is. His Neptune on your MC means that the two of you may have a hard time dealing with the realities of the external world, as far as the relationship is concerned.

It isn’t that his feelings for you aren’t legitimate (when you’re around). Neptune can be deceptive and illusive without knowing it; it’s Neptune’s job to create illusions and then to shatter the innocence. When we’re betrayed by others we are always betraying ourselves in some way, first. Try to figure out where you’ve been deceiving yourself, what falsehoods you’ve been hanging on to, and you will begin to understand why this happened.

]]> By: Maggie http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1016 Maggie Sat, 04 Jun 2011 15:27:17 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1016 Very interesting article! I had a relationship that started in 1985. We were both from different countries, he Italian, I, an American...we met in Italy...big instant attraction, almost as if past life recall...His Neptune was on my MC, in Scorpio, My Moon was on his IC in Aquarius, also his Saturn conjuncted my Moon exactly in Aquarius 18 degrees but also was in his 3rd house. Our Sun's trined exact degree 16 Sag (his) Mine 16 Aries.. My Venus is 2 Gemini and his Moon is 0.50 Libra, nice trine....we met again and again..but each time there was some misunderstanding/ reason on his part, even though he was adament he loved only me(!) as to why we did not stay together!! Amazingly enough... 25 years later (Aug 11th, 2010) we reconnected on Facebook, met again in Oct in Italy. It was all the joy and happiness and then after a couple months, he stopped contacting me...with no real reason...I felt betrayed, lied to and definately decieved...is this his Neptune in Scorpio (which is in his 12th right on his Rising Sign) on my MC? My Pluto conjuncts his MC..and my Jupiter too in Leo (29 degrees is his, my Pluto is 26 and my Jupiter is 21, all in my 7th house) anyway..this ended again...with duty to his family, over love for me being the reason...yet again! He has a stellium of Capricorn in his second house, works at a bank and has done for 22 years, so this is not an irresponsible man. Please could you enlighten me?? What the heck is the real story here??? Thank you, Befuddled! Hi Dawn, not sure this is the right thread but here it is anyway! Thanks for all your help!! Maggie xx Very interesting article! I had a relationship that started in 1985. We were both from different countries, he Italian, I, an American…we met in Italy…big instant attraction, almost as if past life recall…His Neptune was on my MC, in Scorpio, My Moon was on his IC in Aquarius, also his Saturn conjuncted my Moon exactly in Aquarius 18 degrees but also was in his 3rd house. Our Sun’s trined exact degree 16 Sag (his) Mine 16 Aries.. My Venus is 2 Gemini and his Moon is 0.50 Libra, nice trine….we met again and again..but each time there was some misunderstanding/ reason on his part, even though he was adament he loved only me(!) as to why we did not stay together!! Amazingly enough… 25 years later (Aug 11th, 2010) we reconnected on Facebook, met again in Oct in Italy. It was all the joy and happiness and then after a couple months, he stopped contacting me…with no real reason…I felt betrayed, lied to and definately decieved…is this his Neptune in Scorpio (which is in
his 12th right on his Rising Sign) on my MC? My Pluto conjuncts his MC..and my Jupiter too in Leo (29 degrees is his, my Pluto is 26 and my Jupiter is 21, all in my 7th house) anyway..this ended again…with duty to his family, over love for me being the reason…yet again! He has a stellium of Capricorn in his second house, works at a bank and has done for 22 years, so this is not an irresponsible man. Please could you enlighten me?? What the heck is the real story here??? Thank you, Befuddled!

Hi Dawn, not sure this is the right thread but here it is anyway! Thanks for all your help!! Maggie xx

]]> By: Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1015 Dawn Bodrogi Sat, 04 Jun 2011 14:40:13 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1015 Hi, Hayley-- A progressed new moon is not a progressed lunar return. The progressed new moon is another beast entirely, a very important one, and I would hesitate an interpretation without a thorough look at both the progressed and natal charts. But it would bring a lot of energy to the natal midheaven, yes. However, it might mean a completely new attitude is needed, a new sense and definition of Self. Hi, Hayley–

A progressed new moon is not a progressed lunar return. The progressed new moon is another beast entirely, a very important one, and I would hesitate an interpretation without a thorough look at both the progressed and natal charts. But it would bring a lot of energy to the natal midheaven, yes. However, it might mean a completely new attitude is needed, a new sense and definition of Self.

]]> By: Hayley http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/27/the-progressed-moontransiting-saturn-cycle-in-synastry-part-one/#comment-1014 Hayley Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:27:44 +0000 http://theinnerwheel.com/?p=2118#comment-1014 Hi Dawn, How perfect, I have been wondering about my next prog new moon within the next year. It will be in sag conjunct progressed mars, merc, asc and part of fortune. All in the second house trine the natal midheaven. Would this mean a carrear breakthrough? Hi Dawn,
How perfect, I have been wondering about my next prog new moon within the next year. It will be in sag conjunct progressed mars, merc, asc and part of fortune. All in the second house trine the natal midheaven. Would this mean a carrear breakthrough?

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