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	<title>Comments on: Spiral Up or Down?  The Second Progressed Lunar Return</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Aries and have Moon, Chiron, Mars &amp; Pholus conjunct in the 4th house and a Libra Ascendant so these past 4 or 5 years have been interesting. My progressed lunar return happens in Nov. 2012, at the same time my progressed Mars moves to 0 Aries and Neptune/Chiron aspect my natal Venus. Big times! It certainly has been a while ride.I appreciate your description of the 2nd lunr return, it is indeed  time to &#039;put up or shut up&#039; as I see it, step into the power you have created for yourself or retreat into obscurity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Aries and have Moon, Chiron, Mars &amp; Pholus conjunct in the 4th house and a Libra Ascendant so these past 4 or 5 years have been interesting. My progressed lunar return happens in Nov. 2012, at the same time my progressed Mars moves to 0 Aries and Neptune/Chiron aspect my natal Venus. Big times! It certainly has been a while ride.I appreciate your description of the 2nd lunr return, it is indeed  time to &#8216;put up or shut up&#8217; as I see it, step into the power you have created for yourself or retreat into obscurity.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n&#039;er a truer word....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n&#8217;er a truer word&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Bodrogi</title>
		<link>http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/08/06/spiral-up-or-down-the-second-progressed-lunar-return/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Bodrogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rob.  And thanks for giving us your personal experience of this time.  

It&#039;s true that for the past 50 years or so, the notion of having a &#039;Prime&#039; has dwindled, and eternal youth has become the thing.  But I feel that our generation, and the folks born ten years or so before us, are going to turn that all around.  Most of us are doing our best work now, and the thought of dwindling into greater and greater ineffectiveness is absurd. It&#039;s up to us to step up to the plate and let our actions speak for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rob.  And thanks for giving us your personal experience of this time.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that for the past 50 years or so, the notion of having a &#8216;Prime&#8217; has dwindled, and eternal youth has become the thing.  But I feel that our generation, and the folks born ten years or so before us, are going to turn that all around.  Most of us are doing our best work now, and the thought of dwindling into greater and greater ineffectiveness is absurd. It&#8217;s up to us to step up to the plate and let our actions speak for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, love the illustration at the head of this article (you really are mining a seam of diamonds!) - reminds me that we sometimes have to spiral down before we can spiral up, so to speak, getting a grasp of the fractal, scaling nature of reality......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, love the illustration at the head of this article (you really are mining a seam of diamonds!) &#8211; reminds me that we sometimes have to spiral down before we can spiral up, so to speak, getting a grasp of the fractal, scaling nature of reality&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn, apologies for being slow in getting back to your response - just got back online after a typically merc retro time of things with tech and comms....

many thanks for your helpful clarification - no chiron moon aspects here but it all rings very true - natal cancer moon is 8th ho, and aquarian chiron in 3rd, but, my chiron return was marked by two things which reflect the 4th (cancer) and 8th house issues (as well as chiron&#039;s natal position) - after a close friend was murdered at the onset of chiron return (she was aquarian incidentally!) I found it necessary to go within and re-evaluate the fundamental truths upon which I had based my dreams and aspirations ( perhaps her and death&#039;s gift was the clarity gained), as well as who I was going to associate with and on what terms - sounds harsh, but, I see it as a part of this larger process - I disconnected with the larger part of &#039;my&#039; outer community, it was necessary, at least for a while - to cut a long story short, the second thing, which might never have happened without this inner work, was that I started out (perhaps very late some would say) on the parental path and became a father.......wow! If ever material reality and all its deeper and outward extending layers (beyond the material) came home....

the grounding of inner and outer in the present is a precarious business when the outer planets are vieing for our attention - raising the energies of the inner planets to a level where they can be receptive to and form true relationships with the larger, less personal creative energies of Life is real work with tangible manifestations and consequences, and this aspect of astrology is invaluable - especially as it may go some way to filling a percieved gap

with this in mind, I do wonder how much more difficult this is for us in a western context, when the outer does not readily reflect back a reciprocity that supports the process - as Michael Meade once said, for many of us here it becomes a question of becoming &#039;older or elder&#039; - and, in more indigenous or traditional settings for example, where the bonds of community may themselves be fed by the connection to the larger picture, in the shape of the elders and the wisdoms they hold, the living reality of the traditions they uphold, based upon experience, well, this may be easier - but, it doesn&#039;t preclude the ego work; that remains an ongoing process that is tempered by age and experience

your articles are so fascinating - thankyou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, apologies for being slow in getting back to your response &#8211; just got back online after a typically merc retro time of things with tech and comms&#8230;.</p>
<p>many thanks for your helpful clarification &#8211; no chiron moon aspects here but it all rings very true &#8211; natal cancer moon is 8th ho, and aquarian chiron in 3rd, but, my chiron return was marked by two things which reflect the 4th (cancer) and 8th house issues (as well as chiron&#8217;s natal position) &#8211; after a close friend was murdered at the onset of chiron return (she was aquarian incidentally!) I found it necessary to go within and re-evaluate the fundamental truths upon which I had based my dreams and aspirations ( perhaps her and death&#8217;s gift was the clarity gained), as well as who I was going to associate with and on what terms &#8211; sounds harsh, but, I see it as a part of this larger process &#8211; I disconnected with the larger part of &#8216;my&#8217; outer community, it was necessary, at least for a while &#8211; to cut a long story short, the second thing, which might never have happened without this inner work, was that I started out (perhaps very late some would say) on the parental path and became a father&#8230;&#8230;.wow! If ever material reality and all its deeper and outward extending layers (beyond the material) came home&#8230;.</p>
<p>the grounding of inner and outer in the present is a precarious business when the outer planets are vieing for our attention &#8211; raising the energies of the inner planets to a level where they can be receptive to and form true relationships with the larger, less personal creative energies of Life is real work with tangible manifestations and consequences, and this aspect of astrology is invaluable &#8211; especially as it may go some way to filling a percieved gap</p>
<p>with this in mind, I do wonder how much more difficult this is for us in a western context, when the outer does not readily reflect back a reciprocity that supports the process &#8211; as Michael Meade once said, for many of us here it becomes a question of becoming &#8216;older or elder&#8217; &#8211; and, in more indigenous or traditional settings for example, where the bonds of community may themselves be fed by the connection to the larger picture, in the shape of the elders and the wisdoms they hold, the living reality of the traditions they uphold, based upon experience, well, this may be easier &#8211; but, it doesn&#8217;t preclude the ego work; that remains an ongoing process that is tempered by age and experience</p>
<p>your articles are so fascinating &#8211; thankyou</p>
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		<title>By: Don Musser</title>
		<link>http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/08/06/spiral-up-or-down-the-second-progressed-lunar-return/#comment-1394</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Musser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the gender based default identity provided by culture and taken up by many males is feeling, body, and soul castrated. at any age - many of us have something like Chiron Moon , IC type, or Black Moon issues into which we must descend. males basically have to spiral down into feeling ,body, and soul as part of the ascent back to the Sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the gender based default identity provided by culture and taken up by many males is feeling, body, and soul castrated. at any age &#8211; many of us have something like Chiron Moon , IC type, or Black Moon issues into which we must descend. males basically have to spiral down into feeling ,body, and soul as part of the ascent back to the Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Bodrogi</title>
		<link>http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/08/06/spiral-up-or-down-the-second-progressed-lunar-return/#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Bodrogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Rob.  The two aren&#039;t directly related unless you have Moon/Chiron connections in the natal chart.  The Chiron return, at 50, is the beginning of the process because Chiron has to do with our link between our physical lives (Saturn) and the soul-changes required of us by our outer planets.  It&#039;s interesting that, by secondary progression, the outer planets don&#039;t move much, and provide a spiritual framework for the movement of the inner planets.  It&#039;s almost as if we need to measure up to the agenda that they&#039;ve set out for us.  What happens at the Chiron return is that this notion of legacy, and what we will leave behind us, is first triggered. (Well, some of us with heavy Chiron feel this earlier, but for most it comes up around age 50.) We start thinking about the contributions we have made, and stop obsessing so much on our personal sense of lack.  If the Chiron return is &#039;done right,&#039; we turn Chiron on its head and begin to put energy into ways we can be of use.  (The great trap here, of course, is what Buddhism calls &#039;spiritual materialism&#039;--and we start patting ourselves on the head for how advanced we are spiritually.  Otherwise known as the great Republican delusion.)  We start allowing ourselves to become a vehicle for our higher impulses.  

If the Chiron return hasn&#039;t pointed us in the right direction (and the Chiron return really is just about direction, not a problem to be solved), the lunar return is more like a second chance to adjust ourselves to a less materialistic and less ego-centric direction.  With the Chiron return, we deal more specifically with blows to the ego (i.e. &quot;How come I never get what I want?).  The lunar return is about our relationship with our material lives in general.  If our ego is all about &#039;having,&#039; then the lunar return becomes a problem.  We start shedding our skins at the lunar return, and the wiser of us know that this particular shedding is necessary to a fulfilling and effective life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Rob.  The two aren&#8217;t directly related unless you have Moon/Chiron connections in the natal chart.  The Chiron return, at 50, is the beginning of the process because Chiron has to do with our link between our physical lives (Saturn) and the soul-changes required of us by our outer planets.  It&#8217;s interesting that, by secondary progression, the outer planets don&#8217;t move much, and provide a spiritual framework for the movement of the inner planets.  It&#8217;s almost as if we need to measure up to the agenda that they&#8217;ve set out for us.  What happens at the Chiron return is that this notion of legacy, and what we will leave behind us, is first triggered. (Well, some of us with heavy Chiron feel this earlier, but for most it comes up around age 50.) We start thinking about the contributions we have made, and stop obsessing so much on our personal sense of lack.  If the Chiron return is &#8216;done right,&#8217; we turn Chiron on its head and begin to put energy into ways we can be of use.  (The great trap here, of course, is what Buddhism calls &#8216;spiritual materialism&#8217;&#8211;and we start patting ourselves on the head for how advanced we are spiritually.  Otherwise known as the great Republican delusion.)  We start allowing ourselves to become a vehicle for our higher impulses.  </p>
<p>If the Chiron return hasn&#8217;t pointed us in the right direction (and the Chiron return really is just about direction, not a problem to be solved), the lunar return is more like a second chance to adjust ourselves to a less materialistic and less ego-centric direction.  With the Chiron return, we deal more specifically with blows to the ego (i.e. &#8220;How come I never get what I want?).  The lunar return is about our relationship with our material lives in general.  If our ego is all about &#8216;having,&#8217; then the lunar return becomes a problem.  We start shedding our skins at the lunar return, and the wiser of us know that this particular shedding is necessary to a fulfilling and effective life.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for this Dawn - means a lot personally

I&#039;m interested in the larger process of the &#039;great prime years&#039;, so, a question about the chiron return and 2nd progressed lunar return - how much does chiron return prime the issues brought up by this transition - if chiron return leaves unresolved issues, are these more likely to encourage the downward spiral, exacerbate the potential personal loss of vitality and purpose and make the connection with the &#039;universal&#039; more difficult?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for this Dawn &#8211; means a lot personally</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the larger process of the &#8216;great prime years&#8217;, so, a question about the chiron return and 2nd progressed lunar return &#8211; how much does chiron return prime the issues brought up by this transition &#8211; if chiron return leaves unresolved issues, are these more likely to encourage the downward spiral, exacerbate the potential personal loss of vitality and purpose and make the connection with the &#8216;universal&#8217; more difficult?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Bodrogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Bodrogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the more we stop &#039;splitting out&#039; the Moon and Saturn, and the more we move towards that fusion, the more successful these returns in our fifties will be.  Unfortunately, with the Moon and Saturn both being seekers of the familiar, the urge to break out of old patterning is fraught with challenges.  We are very dependent on sensing the new start that this return heralds for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the more we stop &#8216;splitting out&#8217; the Moon and Saturn, and the more we move towards that fusion, the more successful these returns in our fifties will be.  Unfortunately, with the Moon and Saturn both being seekers of the familiar, the urge to break out of old patterning is fraught with challenges.  We are very dependent on sensing the new start that this return heralds for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Musser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Musser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the progressed Lunar cycle and the Saturn cycle seem to combine and reinforce each other and move us towards a Solar/ Lunar fusion. that fusion ends our sense of being male and female and bridges us to an edenic state of connection with universal and spiritual influences. Saturn and Earthly experience are actually like a womb within which - and out of which - we are reborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the progressed Lunar cycle and the Saturn cycle seem to combine and reinforce each other and move us towards a Solar/ Lunar fusion. that fusion ends our sense of being male and female and bridges us to an edenic state of connection with universal and spiritual influences. Saturn and Earthly experience are actually like a womb within which &#8211; and out of which &#8211; we are reborn.</p>
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