It has been said, and backed up with research, that the single most common signature for long term partnerships is not a link between Sun/Moon or Venus/Mars or Moon/Saturn or any of the common planetary partnerships. In fact, planets have nothing to do with it. The single most common long term signature, which is borne out by my experience, is angle to nodal axis.
This is baffling to a lot of people, many of whom don’t quite relate to either their angles or their lunar nodes, let alone figure out what they’re doing in 
their partnerships. They aren’t anything solid, they’re a point in space and time. How can a point influence a point? Moreover, how can they interact? Although astrology has always placed an importance on planet-to-angle in synastry, it was always thought that the planet, the solid body, was influencing the passive angle. How can a node do the same?
This is missing the astrological boat entirely. Our angles are what define us, and have everything to do with our material existence. Our angles anchor the infinite symbolism of our charts in space and time. Without angles, the chart has no dimension. You can read a chart without angles, but it’s lacking a crucial element–reality. A bundle of energy without a container.
But our angles provide much more than a frame upon which we hang our souls. Each angle is a defining point where spirit and matter interact. In this way, they are much like the nodes. But where the nodes display our soul direction, how the past becomes the present and future, the angles provide a gateway for our inner being to meet the external world. The angles turn the old astrological catchphrase, “As above, so below…” into something relatively new to astrological thought: “As within, so without…”
We cannot conceive what is not already within us, in nascent form. Astrology declares that our lives are not the result of random occurrences, but reflect what energies are already there within us, waiting to evolve (with the progressed chart revealing what is of evolving spiritual importance at any given time). Our angles are the pathways of this energy exchange between inner and outer, the bridges of the evolving Self. They provide the forming connection between the restless energies of the spirit and the denser layers of matter. They are highly sensitive, almost electrically charged, the finely tuned antennae of being and becoming. When planets hit our angles we feel them acutely. When we have natal planets on angles, the planets’ energy becomes magnified and focused, and are certain to play a starring role in our internal drama. By association, our angular houses carry a power that the other houses do not. Each angular house, in it’s own way, carries the initiating (cardinal) energy of Aries, the thrust from the unmanifest to the manifest.
So, no surprise then, given what we know of the nodes (see the series on the Nodes, which begins here), what happens when the lunar nodes of one chart hit the angles of another. The nodes represent the evolving consciousness; they are almost like the arms of the Moon, reaching out to embrace experience. To the Node person, the experience of the angle person’s manifesting life, the dizzying traffic of that spiritual bridge, is like a potent drug. The Node person can feel the excitement of the angle person’s evolution as the power of the chart flows through it. The Node person is attuned to the direction and intention of the angle–it feels familiar to the South Node side, and stimulating to the North. The Node person feels as if this is where they should be for their own balance and development. There is a natural affinity and a mutual direction.
For both people, the contact runs deep, and a real empathy is possible. The angle person, in particular, feels to the depths the Node person’s struggle to evolve, and these people are very aware that they are on some kind of path together. They have a mutual investment in one another’s growth, and may feel very comfortable moving forward together in life. The angle person’s experience of life is enhanced by the conscious awareness of the Node person. The Node person senses that evolution and balance is easier and more rapid with the angle person around.
The drawback to having this contact comes at times of hard aspects to the angle/axis. Transits via conjunction and square will bring challenges to both (and at the same time), but any planet moving into an inconjunct position to the angle/axis can be disruptive in the extreme. it will take much effort by both parties to assure that they evolve together, rather than apart. The themes of the inconjunct planet will have to be brought into the relationship and worked through in a conscious way. Another difficulty may come when one person’s progressed planet forms hard aspects to the position–that will signify a long period where the person with the progressed planet will need to examine the role the planet plays in the relationship, and how the relationship is reflecting that planet’s development. These can be times where the planet person may want to take a step back from the relationship to get perspective.
The other drawback to this position is one that occurs in all relationships, but the angle/node couple will be more prone to it–simply assuming that we’ll always be together and that things are always okay. This contact may cause us to feel so familiar with one another that we forget that the other person is a developing entity in his or her own right, and may not feel as we do in all circumstances and situations. It’s very important with this contact that we have a perspective on our relationship and acknowledge our partner’s independence. Just because we’re on the same road together doesn’t mean we can’t take detours now and then.
In essence, the energy of this combination can provide for a very powerful bond, a place where two forceful rivers meet, and become stronger than they were separately. Life experience for this couple seems to enhance, not diminish, the tie. As always, in relationships there are no guarantees, but, as my grandmother used to say, “It’s easier when two people pull the cart.” In this case, the cart is the often heavy burden of our spiritual evolution, and it certainly is nice to have a helping hand.
I have this connection with my partner, his Aries ASC conjuncts my North Node/Moon/DSC conjunction. And my Cancer MC conjuncts his North Node/IC.
I can really relate to everything you have said in this article, it is a very deep bond that we share. There is definitely a familiarity, and a feeling of forward motion and growth.
I’m pleased to hear you talk about how significant these contacts are in long term relationships. I think the Sun-Moon contacts are nice for understanding and harmony, but the NN/angle contacts gives the purpose for the relationship to remain and continue.
Hi Dawn
yet again you have hit the Node nail on the Angle head, in a manner of speaking. My Nodal research of some years ago demonstrated quite clearly how significant these connections are between people. And I can certainly validate what you say from my own relationship – we have a Grand Cross involving my MCNNode/ICSNode with his Moon Venus and Saturn, and my Sun with his NNode/Chiron. It has been very tough at times, but after 30 years we are still together – and still on each other’s side….
Thanks, Autumn and Anne, for your comments. I have to admit to being node/angle prone myself, which got me curious about this aspect early on, not just in relationships but friendships as well.
Hi Dawn, just curious, in your experience how have orbs for this kind of angle-node interaction been tight or would it still apply for fairly wide contacts (like 10 degrees) too?
Like anything else in astrology, you can’t just dismiss something when it gets out of whatever you define as an orb. Aspects fade in and fade out. In general, I use a max five degree orb for synastry, but the closer to exact the better, and anything further away will have some impact, but it will be less strong and significant the further we get from exact. Planets on either end of the angle/axis will draw more energy towards it. I would consider the first three degrees either side to be very strong. Once we get beyond five degrees, it really starts diminishing, though it would be enhanced if either of the lights are involved.
Thanks Dawn. I was curious because I started looking at the synastry charts of a few couples I know that have been together for long periods of time and noticed nodal-angle contacts with larger orbs. BUT at the same time, the nodes were in close contact with angle planet rulers too, I wonder if that gives those node-angle contacts more “oomph” despite the larger orbs.
Yes, as I said, the planets draw experience to the angle/node contact. It isn’t ‘cement’ or ‘glue’ in and of itself, but the shared experience increases the sense of familiarity and bonding, even when there are disruptive planets involved.
Hi Dawn,
I am so glad I found this essay–and am so grateful you just happened to write on this now! I recently started seeing someone whose ascendant-descendant axis conjuncts my nodal axis to the degree, and from my limiting previous understanding of how the nodes function, I couldn’t determine exactly how this aspect might manifest itself in our blossoming relationship. (My Sun is also opposing his Moon across this line.) This article, and several others, was very helpful to me in obtaining a well-rounded understanding of this aspect.
I find your writing wonderfully engaging, and I truly appreciate your development-oriented approach to astrology. After eight years of informal astrological study, I have grown tired of reading rigid, fatalistic interpretive guidelines. Your work–moreso than any astrological writing I have ever read–has resonated very strongly with my desire to use my chart as an ever-evolving tool to guide my personal learning and healing. My perusal of your blog today made me feel revitalized in my efforts to work through the challenges of my natal chart and synastry contacts and I am so excited to continue to follow your work!
Many thanks 🙂
Thank you, alia. Words like these make my work worthwhile.
Good luck with the Sun/Moon opposition on top of angle/nodes. That’s a heady mix, and a very potent tug of war between the past and the future. Keep true to the Moon, but let the Sun guide you both forward. It’s the only way.
Your article very much resonated with me as well. A co-worker and I have this configuration: my NN conjoins his Midheaven and Mercury, my SN conjoins his IC and Moon. We got along well immediately upon meeting and it’s continued that way for several years, although my awareness of his moods and actions impinges too much at times, if that makes sense. I feel a tremendous loyalty toward him–rather like a younger sister toward an older brother. The friendship has had a huge impact on my consciousness.
dear dawn,
does trines and sextiles to nodes of the moon have any significance. thanks in advance.
Trines and sextiles behave differently from one another, but on the whole the influence is a gentle one. If a planet is trine one end of an axis it will be sextile the other. Trines operate as unconscious flow, sextiles bring stimulation and opportunity. I prefer to see the sextile at the North Node end, because it acts as an impetus to forward movement and allows the talent of the South Node to flow forward to the North. A sextile can act like a nudge, and allow us opportunities to awaken. If the trine is as the North Node end, stimulation to the South Node habits and patterns may (but may not, because trines are trines) aid the North Node in its quest. When it comes to nodal awareness, the hard aspects provide better stimulation.
Very interesting article, to all those who are suspicions of the role of the nodal axis, in synastry, they can touch and feel it.
I met someone and later I figured out his Asc conj my South Node tightly. This relationship was something unique which I still can’t get over completely, although many “loves” have come and passed and I usually cope very well with getting over them. If there weren’t the nodes, the rest of the charts could not explain the situation to me. I wish I could move my nodes aside, they wouldn’t square my Asc, too 🙂
I’m curious if there is difference between South Node conj. Asc and North Node conj. Asc, but I don’t have experience with the second. Do you know?
South Node conjunct Asc is easier, because our South Nodes are easier to access. The Asc person is doing the becoming, and the South Node has already been there and can act as a guide. With NN conjunct the Ascendant, both people are on an adventure, and it’s often the North Node person who is challenged, in a good way (usually) by the Asc person. In the first case, with the South Node, the danger is that the Node person can be drawn back into old behaviours that need changing, which the Asc person won’t help (unless there are other chart factors or aspects to the Node person’s North Node).
Thank you for the answers, I haven’t seen any other information before, although I looked a lot.
I have my SN conjunct a coworker’s ASC and Mars. We have really awful synastry but after years of juvenile acrimony, we have found peace.
His chart is something else, though. Sun opp Pluto, Moon opp Uranus, Mars opp Saturn!
Mars opp Saturn squared by my Sun! Yep, we argue 🙂
how about venus,mars conjuncts SN in synastry ?
i have my SN is in his 1st angle. i have searched and couldn’t find anything so far.
Hi essie, Planets conjuncting Nodes at either end are a big subject, too big for me to deal with here, because you have to take houses and house rulerships into consideration. If you would like more information on this, I offer a two-part class on interpreting the Nodes at any time. Part one deals with interpreting the nodal ‘story,’ and part two deals with the Nodes in synastry. You can email me if you’re interested.
I have one past relationship where his node was conjunct my ascendant. A deep identification, very emotional and lasted 2 years to the day. A chance meeting on a train while travelling in Europe, I moved to his town and he supported me in an unplanned last minute application into art school(using some of his own work!). This became a career and a major discovery and evolution for me, it saved me really. It fits closely with your description. And true as well of the taking for granted, the connection seemed indestructible, but it just ran its course I guess.
I see we met when my progressed venus opposed my Asc/his node and split when Uranus in my 7th hit that the Asc/node by inconjunct. Pluto had just passed an inconjunct aspect from my fifth(and on my natal venus). Intense.
Great and informative post, thank you.
Hello, Wonder–What you describe about the progressions and transits is very true. A progressed Venus (or other relationship planet) aspecting an important configuration in the chart will often draw a relationship. Inconjuncts, too, are very powerful initiators and instigators–much more so than they’re given credit for.
I know about natal inconjuncts- I have 3 yods in my chart with max of 3 degree orb on one. And I got a lot out of your inconjunct entries by the way, especially the lack of integration of different parts of yourself. A continuing project that one.
I had never considered them in progressions and transits, this is a new insight for me and something I will keep an eye on, thanks!
Hi Dawn,
I have this with someone, however we have conjunct angles. So while the nodal axis if forming a tight conjunction with my asc/dc, it is also forming one with his own. His NN is Scorpio 4, his Asc is Scorpio 3.55, and my ASC is Scorpio 3.12. Is the connection still as potent when the person has the aspect natally (even closer in orb)?
Yes, it’s still as potent. The person with the natal aspect naturally creates situations which will acquaint him with his nodal needs; when you have this aspect, your life naturally takes you where you need to go (if the NN is on the Asc). The other nodal person will be drawn into this dynamic in a very intense way.
Yes, I am intensely drawn in, but that could also be because my NN is contacting his Sun and Moon as well. Interesting to note: My NN is in Gemini in both of our 8th house’s (same angles)….8th house rules Scorpio, and his NN is in Scorpio conjunct our ASC…not sure what to make of that, but it seems relevant…
It’s relevant, but not that important. The houses give us areas of experience for the nodes to function in, the signs give us the flavour or quality of the experience. With Scorpio influencing this configuration, it adds an intensity and depth. Your nodal task is to move from the 2nd house towards the eighth, but it will still be via a civilized and more intellectual perspective. It may be more challenging for you to cope with the Gemini detachment in light of the Scorpio influence.
Thank you for the thoughtful and timely responses! I will be contacting you for a reading 🙂
Hi Dawn,
can you help me with interpreting one synastry chart, please?:) What I want to ask you is not strictly related to this subject, but there is tightly conjunction of boy’s Leo SN and girl’s Leo ASC. He also has Venus Leo tightly conjunct his SN which is then on her ASC. This girl’s mariage partner is represented by retrograde Uran which is in stellium in capricorne (Uran 1degree, Saturn 7degree, Neptun 9degree), but this boy is one year younger and I don’t have his time of birth. So, my question would be does this boy can be her mariage partner? I know there is a lot of things that should be considered but the reason why I’m asking this is because one astrologer told me that her partner will be older ( I think because the sign of capricorne which represents olders?). Does in this case he can be younger because Uran and all stellium is retrograde? I think they are very deep conected and there are another indicators except Nodal-Axis conjunction which I consider important and some of them are: Leo Sun conj Leo Sun ( you can see that his Sun is dispositor of his Venus), Virgo Moon oposition Pisces Moon, Virgo Moon conj Virgo Mercury and Libra Venus, Leo Jupiter conj her ASC, his Taurus Mars square her and also his Sun… This boy is high (Uran) and he is black with dark eyes (Saturn, Neptun) – capricorne stellium? What do you think?
Thanks in advance.:)
I’m sorry, Vanessa, but I can’t really comment as I have a different method of understanding compatibility than you do. First of all, I think its wrong for any astrologer to assume that the partner should be older or younger. Secondly, I don’t think that one planet represents the partner. Synastry is a complex business reflecting inner psychological dynamics that can’t be figured out by a list of aspects.
almost speechless. this is amazing. and brilliant.
i am experiencing a separation from my girlfriend of many years, the onset of this happening to coincide with transiting pluto conjuncting my DEscendant (and squaring her aries mars) (and prefaced by the sudden death of her mother).
and this has pulled me more deeply than before, way back during my saturn return, into astrology.
her nn is in tight conjunction with my cancer ascendant. my nn fits the same with her midheaven (an angle i know little about, so, more looking). some weight to it.
anyway, thank you. like finding money on the street.
Im in a relacionship that is hurting my life in the emocional side… but it change my life to. we have a lot bad aspects in sinastry. and a few good ones. His n node is in conjuction with my son and my decendent. and his s node is the opposite of my son.. We been in this relacionship for 4 years.. but I feel we going no where.. can this two aspects help the relacionship grow.. we have a lot of fellings for each other
Hi Bettyan–Node/Angle is a powerful connection, allowing two people the exchange of intense feelings of belonging, but you can never measure a relationship by one aspect. In this case, with your Sun on his North Node, your very presence may remind him of ways that he needs to grow and change, and he just may not be ready for them, yet. Often, where there are North Node contacts, the relationships are fraught because the growth towards the North Node is difficult, and we would rather stay in our South Node comfort zone. Also, there may be a number of other factors challenging you right now, and only a complete synastry will reveal what they are.
Hi Dawn,
If man has natal Venus conjunct South Node and that conjunction in synastry chart is on woman’s Ascendant (orb less than 2 degree), who is then more attracted – Venus person to ASC person or is it opposite? I know that both charts must be consider, but can you tell me in generel, based on your experience?:)
Honestly, no, not without looking at the charts. It’s a powerful connection, but there is no telling who is more attracted to whom.
what are your thoughts on progressed angles conjunct someone’s nodal axis?
simply brilliant –
my ex husband and I – his NN was exact conjunct my pisces Dsc.
his mars conjunct exact my NN (sag)
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we were fine and good and then went into exactly the kind of mode where the other is taken as ‘always there’, so true. Eventually we hurt eachother a lot. very public- very bad- he went on to have affair with my adopted sister (15 yrs younger) and left me for her. a lot of battle on custody of children and much much more than the space here.
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his Virgo Sun was conjunct his SN and Pluto- for him it was hard enough to develop and integrate his NN characteristics and my dsc added to it- I am sure.
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the contact is life changing – I would say my Pluto conjunct his Asc and his pluto + sun + SN conjunct my Asc was NOT a good feeling at all. It shook my whole framework of life (angles)
i was totally attracted to this person i met at work. and when he left his job i was totally depressed like i dont wanna work, i wanna move back home, switch career, etc..
our suns/mercury/venus are in opposition. my chiron in taurus conjuncting his sun/venus and his vertex/pluto conjuncting my sun/venus in scorpio.
this person had his pisces north node/midheaven conjunct my south node. that means my virgo north node/saturn conjuncts his south node/imum coeli as well.
he is one guy i will definitely miss and remember. wish we could cross paths again. this time i will really say “hi!”.
is that feeliing of attachment one-sided or felt by both parties, because we have nodal-angle contacts?
would the feelings/attraction be felt by both or is it one-sided if your nodes oppose each other?
say my north node/saturn conjunct his south node/imum coeli (virgo). his north node/midheaven conjuncting my south node(pisces). our sun/venus are opposite. his vertex/pluto conjuncts my scorpio sun. my chiron conjuncts his sun/venus in his 12th house.
i felt i lost him when he moved back to his home country. i was lousy going to work, not motivated at all. i met him at work by the way.
Hi there! I’d like to add my recent experiences on the Nodes…
I have NN conjunct Ascendent right on star Spica and was in an intense relationship with someone with South Node and Mercury(their chart ruler) right on my Ascendant. We have lots of saturn trines as well but never officialized the relationship coz we’ve realized we have different agendas( Nodes reversed!).
Though I’ve been stuck with him for the synastry is very powerfull- Sun/Pluto doubles, Sun-Venus opposition, Mars/Moon opposition, Moon trine Sun. Just to mention some.
Recently I met someone with their Ascendent/Uranus exact conjunct mine and NN. Our Vertexes are conjunct as well. Venus opposite Mars(Asc-Desc rulers), Sun conjunct Mars, Venus trine Neptune, Moon/ venus sextiles both ways.
We had a very short affair coz he was supposed to travel and I knew it before hand… It was a great passion/affection that came without warning and sweep me out my feet in a second! I’m a person that is always in control!!!! (venus trine Saturn helps-or I thought so…lol).
I felt some out of body experiences and blank moments during this experience…Maybe due to his Uranus? My Scorpio Uranus is trine his Pisces Moon too.
He says he is coming back but I fear that is only to be off again… He’s very Uranian and so am I.
The only Saturn contacts we have it’s he’s Sat square my Mars though it’s in the same element (water). He became more emotional with me and said he didnt cry for more that 10 years until that moment. I think I managed to break some walls of his Cancer Saturn 😉
My Saturn conjunct his Mercury and sesisquare his Venus. His Saturn sextile my Sun and thats about it… I don’t see how can we glue!
What I REALLY felt with this experience is that he showed up in my life to set me free! (free me from a somehow strong Nodal stuck relationship). So it doesn’t feel right for me to arrest the one who freed me.
I feel that the only way to keep him near me is to provide him all the freedoom he needs…:D I’m in love! <3
Oh forgot to ask you one thing… My chart ruler and North Node ruler (Venus) is in exact square to his Nodes. I read descriptions with the Sun or Moon only so I wonder how my Venus would affect him.
Also his Nodes are sign square mine though not in close aspect (20degr appart), I read that this can have a balancing effect for both.
Do you find that true even out of orb?
Thank you for this article! 🙂
When planets–especially important planets–square another person’s lunar nodes, that planet will act as a stimulant to the other person’s developing consciousness. It may be a difficult adjustment, incorporating the planet person’s energy expression of that planet, but it will be a necessary one. On the whole, it doesn’t affect the planet person much. It’s the nodes person who will feel the pull to change. If Venus is the stimulant, the change will be around value systems, ways of expressing love, and of sharing the things and people we love. Appreciation will be a key word.
This is a very interesting area of synastry and I’ll be writing an article about it shortly.
Thank you very much for your input Dawn!
Even for a short connection we interacted a lot and I can see how it would work out after you pointed out..
Our Ascendants are at the same point so that my Venus falls in his empty 6H as well. I had the oportunity to restle with him to wash the dishes 🙂 get his coat offered to me coz mine was stolen and get his sign of APPRECIATION by him cooking me the last meal before his jorney, even when he doesn’t know how to cook…lol
Sorry to be exposing so many uninteresting details, but just by the fact I’m writing them it’s shedding light in my mind to it’s purpose.
I’m looking forward to read your new article, and just realized that my Pluto is opposite my Venus and square his Nodes too. Forming a cross aspect. Don’t know how it fits on the other end but I gess in this case it would have a strong effect on me as well because his NN is in my Ve/Pl midpoint…
Oh there’s another idea for another article! There’s not much detailed work on midpoints appart from the Sun/Moo.. 😉
Wonderful site!
May I ask a question?
What happens when my NN hits my partner’s IC? If it helps at all, my Neptune-SN conjunction conjuncts their MC-Neptune conjunction. My Sun also conjuncts their NN. All orbs/aspects are exact/within one degree.
I’m a bit confused with the contacts between their IC/MC axis and my NN-SN … I’m not sure how the push-pull between my nodes and their axis might play out?
Sorry, ana, this is a little too complicated to answer in this context. You would need a full reading to interpret this properly.
p.s. Would you have any thoughts on there being a karmic past?
Hi, Ana–Do you mean in general? I think, if you read enough articles on this site, that you will see that I do take the viewpoint that relationships have a purpose, and that we come together for a reason. We have something to work out, and sometimes those lessons are very specific. We are creating the karma of the future at the same time we are working out the karma of the past–in that sense, every action in our lives carries a deep and profound meaning.
Great article as usual. You’ve got the most interesting, solid feeling articles I’ve come across, by far.
“The drawback to having this contact comes at times of hard aspects to the angle/axis. Transits via conjunction and square will bring challenges to both (and at the same time)”
Quoting you above; would I be right in seeing two natal charts with 4 nice tight, hard axis/angle aspects as a relationship that’s going to be one unending challenge?
I’m still just an amateur, so not really familiar with all the nuances of the aspects. I gather tough can be good, as it makes you grow, though.
It will be an unending challenge, but it will also be a stimulating one. You will certainly not find one another dull. Whether it becomes overstimulating, or annoying, depends on the rest of the chart comparison.
What can you tell me about progressed angles along someone’s nodal axis : Scorpio/Taurus exact conjunction? Especially if Pluto, (south node ruler) is in scorpio conjunct the other persons natal ascendant, less than 1 degree?
If a progressed angle moves on to someone’s nodal axis, the effect is much the same as the natal contact, only for a shorter period of time. When it locks in the natal positions, it is lifelong–by progression, we have about a three or four year period depending on how much the nodes have moved by progressions (because the angle will hit both the natal and progressed nodes). There may be a sense of urgency about the relationship, that there is only a certain amount of time to get it right. When one person’s Pluto conjuncts the Asc of another, especially if it’s the South Node ruler, there may have been power struggles and control issues in the past that have to be address. Acceptance would be a keyword.
Thank you for the response. Another thing- you mentioned that when a planet or transit forms an inconjunct to the axis can be particularly problematic. Would the current Gemini Venus in retrograde be an example of that, and what the the effects be?
What happens when any planet forms an inconjunct to the nodal axis is a crisis of integration. That planet struggles to make itself known to the axis and have its qualities acknowledged and respected. It can often be the ‘missing link’ to current events. (This aspect to the nodes can be very ‘event oriented,’ particularly when the lights are involved.)
This subject has been on my mind HEAVILY. This is all very amazing stuff. Your insights are greatly appreciated. I recently became involved in a very nice relationship but was unnerved when i saw our synastry… No major nodal contacts. Just a couple minor things. I have heard two arguments: no nodal contacts, no lasting relationship, or no nodal contacts, not a make or break. However, i have NN in Taurus house 7, and my boyfriend has NN Capricorn in house 10. This seems very major to me. I have started to become very jealous of his friend and mentor who seems to have so much sway in his life. I then saw that their NNs are almost exactly conjunct. I hated the idea of his life being built with this other person and not me! I suppose my question is obvious: if you have the north node in the 7th house, is it an absolute must that you have nodal contacts with your partner?
If you have the North Node in the 7th house, your destiny, your soul revelation and your evolution, comes through partnership. This means the trials, tribulations and the blessings of partnership, the whole gamut. No, nodal contacts are not required. What is required is a deep sense of awareness, and a knowledge that every relationship brings lessons and understanding. If his new friend and mentor shares a NN with him, it means that they are on the same path of discovery. Perhaps your lessons are telling you that you need to let go of petty jealousy and allow him what he needs for his own spiritual growth. But without looking at all three of the charts, I would not like to make assumptions about who is to learn what in this relationship.
Thank you vey much for your wonderful site . We learn so many things in it ! In France we really don’t have such an interesting site, nor such deep analysis on astrology. I hope you will accept to publish this comment and my questions.
my questions are about a chart which has interaspects at the angles,but it seems to me that this case was not yet evoked (or perhaps I failed noticed it) . My MC/IC axis pisces /virgo squares his NN/SN axis, (gemini/sag) so that my IC both squares his NN and IC etc etc.(2°)
My Venus (which is also my SN ruler) is conjunct exactly my IC in my natal chart. So, my SNruler Venus squares his NN, his NS, etc etc too.
At the same time, his libra Neptune conjuncts my SN in libra, orb 0,03°, on another axis that is my NN/SN axis in aries/libra . As for MY neptune, it conjuncts his SN ruler Jupiter in scorpio.
We have a serious age difference between us, but the fascination is strong. I just can’t say if these aspects are rather good or real poison. The one or the other I guess, I afraid this can’t be “nor good nor bad “!
Once again thank you for your site, I often read your articles .
Hello Dawn,
How significant it is if one person’s sun/MC conj in 10th hits the pluto/northnode conj in12th of the other, all within 8.25 to 11 degrees virgo. With MC person’s uranus pluto just 4-5 degrees ahead ?
Also, is pluto trine venus and mars aspect stronger than the above mentioned collective conjunction ?
Thank you and best regards
Sun conjunct the NN in any synastry indicates that the Sun person will shed light on where the Node person needs to grow. In the case of Pluto being there as well, there may be ego struggles and power games involved. Either person may try to manipulate the situation to his or her own advantage.
No trine is stronger or more influential than a conjunction, even when Pluto is involved.
Dear Dawn,
it is always very interesting reading from You. What would be the effect of “coincident” flipped Ascendant/Descendant axis (in a very tight orb, less than 1 degree) with the Ascendants conjuncting the Descendants?
Love,
Indi
Angle/angle contacts, no matter how they fall, are very important in synastry. There is a ‘my road is your road’ feeling to them, an undercurrent of understanding. Not quite ‘you complete me’ but the feeling is there.
Hi.. I just wanted to say that in our family of four, everyone has node-angle conjunctions to each other in synastry..either natal to natal or natal to draconic.. Within 2 degrees.
I find that very interesting.
Initially when I read this article, I was skeptical…:P because family members usually have strong long term relationships with each other and I couldn’t see the necessary node angle connection between everone. But then I ran into articles on draconic charts and draconic synastry.. And there it was! All the draconic angles conjunct other person’s natal nodes whenever the aspect was absent natally!
Dear Dawn
Thank you for your fantastic, deeply learned articles. I have a question. My partner’s sun sign is at 0 degrees 25’42 Aquarius and my North Node is at 5 degrees 15’19 Capricorn. Would this be interpreted as My North Node conjunct his Sun (either in Capricorn or Aquarius?)
Lots of love and thanks
If they’re 25 degrees apart, it’s not a conjunction. Should be interesting, though, as Saturn is co-ruler of Aquarius. Your NN will always be in Cap, but his Aquarius Sun may teach you about Saturn’s Aquarian role (social responsibility, etc.).
Hi Dawn,
I really appreciate the way you provide insight for evolution through astrology.
How do you see an asc/des (tau/scor) axis square a NN/SN (Leo/aqu with sun+ven conjunct SN)? I have the sun within 1 degree of his NN in Leo in my 4th house.
So basically my asc/desc square his NN/SN + his NN/SN conjunct my IC/MC with my sun in the 4th house and his sun+venus in my MC.
There is a cardinal grand cross in our synastry but sextiles to it create mystic rectangles to it….
Hello Dawn!
How can interpret a composite Davison Saturn conjunct south node over a natal sun ? (Particle),and in synastry his Saturn conjunct my SN,and his Sun conjunct my NN..and his Nn is conjunct my Mc..5°apart..
Thank you very much you are very clear and opening mind.
Hi Paula–this is too complex to go into in detail, but basically there are some responsibility issues carried over from another life. Hard to tell who is responsible for what without looking at all the evidence.
Hello Dawn, thank you so much for that. His Venus is in 29 degrees Capricorn, again 25 degrees apart. Xxx
Thank you ver y MUCH,Dawn I want to be like you :),I’m follow astrology since 20 years,reading books, autodidactic kind,but now ,and having never find a vocation (my biggest frustration in life..I’m 40 now) I realized that this obsession with astro,could be the one.Can you recommend me a school,a distance learning could be great because I live in Spain.Thank you very much.
There are a number of schools depending on what branch or type of astrology you want to study. For a thorough background, I recommend the Faculty of Astrological Studies in London. They have a distance learning programme.
Thank you,Dawn (beautiful name you have) : )
What about my pluto ascendant in scorpio conjunct his south node? And descendant sun in taurus conjunct his sun in taurus conjunct north node? Pls help?
And also his scorpio saturn conjunct my ascendant…
Hi Dawn,
I’ve been very interested in the Node(s) conjunct Asc/Des since my Asc conjunct my (now ex) partner’s South Node in Libra.
I did some research and heard that some astrologers consider Asc conjunct South-node to be negative aspect since this placement indicates that we come to this live to resolve some past karma, and we will become less attraction towards each other and will withdraw from each other over time. By contrast, the Asc conjunct North Node is a positive aspect because the two individuals will grow and learn together, and accomplish things that they are not able to do alone together in this lifetime.
From my experience, my partner became more spiritual awareness when he was with me. There were many clear signs that were later revealed to me as evidence to that, but at time when we were together, I could not realise those. I later (now) realised that and keep having some kind of regrets on this as we are no longer in relationship with one another.
One thing I can’t explain why is I do have the experience of feeling we could achieve more spiritual advancement and could be of help for each other, similar to the description of what the couples with North Node/Asc conjunction would feel, even though his South Node falls on my Asc and not the North Node. (Our Neptune, Jupiter and Uranus always stay very close or conjunct in our natal charts, and they all conjunct in the 3rd house in Capricorn of our Composite chart, if that aids anything to this.)
Besides, his Vertex also conjunct my South Node in Leo (and Anti-Vertex conjunct my North Node), but once I had a clear explanation/understanding why it always felt like ‘fated’ or ‘destined’, I also ironically felt it was already too late – we were already apart.
I would like to hear your comment on the South-Node vs. North-Node conjunct Asc. Do you agree with those findings from my research, or do you have a different view, Dawn?
I found myself very interested in hearing your view about astrological aspects that receive very few and different opinions like this. I truely value your work and the sharing effort you have made on this website. :”)
Can someone comment about this connection in regards to a “NON ROMANTIC” relationship??? I have this aspect with a cousin of mine who is 17 yrs younger than me. Her NN is conjunct my Descendant, her SN is conjunct my Ascendent, and my Venus is conjunct her Asendent!!! The day I held her in my arms when she came home from the hospital I saw her life flash before me! I psychically new she was going to be like me. I live very far away from her now, but always new someday I am to be in her life, helping her in some way down the road. I think of her often even though we don’t really know each other yet. Does anyone else have these aspects with a “non romantic” partner? Please share!! 🙂
Oops- correction! My cousin is 27 yrs younger than me! 🙂
Dear Down,
Thank You for the very interesting article. I would like to ask You about the theme, if it is possible: my boyfriend has Venus conjunct SN in his natal chart. My venus conjunct his venus exactly (very nice aspect) and so my venus also conjunct his SN. I feel him very close and peacful, warmhearted connection, it seems to be very Karmic. As I heard this aspect on of the soulmate indicators. We have also many supporting aspects too fortunately: saturn-moon+satun-sun+saturn-venus trines, and saturn conjunct ascendant aspects also. Could I ask You what about this aspect( Venus-SN)?
I’m sorry, Lotus, I don’t have the time or space to analyze this for you. Venus South Node is about karmic comfort, appreciation and pleasure.
Dear Dawn,
Thank You for the very interesting article. I would like to ask You about the theme, if it is possible: my boyfriend has Venus conjunct SN in his natal chart. My venus conjunct his venus exactly (very nice aspect) and so my venus also conjunct his SN. I feel him very close and peaceful, warmhearted connection, it seems to be very Karmic. As I heard this aspect on of the soulmate indicators. We have also many supporting aspects too fortunately: saturn-moon+satun-sun+saturn-venus trines, and saturn conjunct ascendant aspects also. Could I ask You what about this aspect( Venus-SN)?
Hi Lotus,
To me, the karma in a chart has to do with the nodal ‘story’–the positioning of the nodal rulers, and their role in moving past to present. Venus conjunct the South Node is a karmic tie. So is Saturn. Saturn indicates that there may have been some responsibility between you that may have been neglected or abandoned. It may be something you have to pick up in this life.
Hi Dawn,
Thank You for your relply! 🙂 I feel also that it is a karmic connection, very close and warmhearted. Fortunately we have three very nice saturn trines and a conjunction, and other nice synastry aspects. I feel that we may a soulmate. So, as I understand we continune our last life lover relationship in this life also. A South node relationship can be as lifelong as the North node ones? (We have also NN aspects -trines, sextiles) and our composite also very good. Thank You very much! Best regards, Lotus
ps. And it very interesting that he has also a SN-Venus conjunction in his natal chart. And both the synastry and the natal SN-Venus Conjunctions are in the ninth house. I’m very spiritual, so I can bring absolutely this energy to his life.
Hi, Dawn.
Did I understand correctly that you can substitute nodal ruler in aspect with angle and vice versa angle ruler in the aspect with nodes? Or it will not be as strong as angle/nodes aspects per se? TIA
Not as strong, but there is a connection.
Curious about a tight semi-sextile (1degree) aspect – angle to node? As well as NN to SN? Thanks! Love your site!
Best thing to do would be to read the article on this site about Quincunxes and inconjuncts, and in particular the figure I call the ‘double inconjunct.’ You can find it through the search engine in the upper right corner.
Hi Dawn, I have a question. A little back story. New guy, is Sag Sun conjunct Mars in Sag. My moon conjuncts his mars 0 deg and his sun by 4 deg. He has a Leo NN at 21 deg conjunct my IC exact at 21deg leo. My sun is Libra 21deg. My NN is in my 10th house but in Pisces at 20 deg. Are we both helping or hindering each other? Are we holding each other back in our past somehow? What type of effect is the MC/IC to the Node Axis doing in this case? My NN ruler is Neptune in Scorpio conjunct widely his Mercury and Venus in Scorpio. Unfortunately,I don’t know his birth time so I do not know where my planets fall in his chart.
Oh Dawn, Sorry for so many questions, but I’ve noticed one other thing. I know this relationship is significant somehow but wondering if My progressed chart has something to do with it. He has a cancer moon natal. My progressed chart at the time of meeting him was showing me with a Sag sun at 7deg Cancer moon at 28 deg and Venus at 23 deg Scorp. His natal chart is Exact. Weird! My Vertex in natal is 5deg Scorp and now is showing 5deg Sag. That’s all Thanks.
Okay Dawn, I kind of have a very general understanding of my own question. I went back to your article on MC/IC Part One. You wrote “In the fourth house, we begin to define ourselves, to understand who we are. And once we are aware of who we are, we are also aware of who we are not.” and
“A balanced IC/MC axis acknowledges both our needs and our duties to ourselves and others, and sees that they are both fulfilled.”
So suffice it to say, if my fourth house is not afflicted and I am aware of who I am and able to balance both home and work, (IC/MC) in my own life then generally there should be a fairly positive impact on helping him to balance his nodal axis?
If I’ve answered my own question, then I can see where he has a lot of room for growth. Based on conversations with him (and I’ve only known him since September of 2014) how much he does for his family and other people outside of his family which leaves him totally depleted for himself. He took ill this past December and no one other than me was checking on him. I live in a different state and could not get there to take care of him. Leo NN/Aqua SN?
In regards to my own nodal axis but in my 4/10 houses. He is making me fully aware of how important it is to remain balanced when serving others in my home/work life, and to take the time I need for myself for spiritual replenishing and fun time. Which is reflective of my Saturn in my 12th house (solitude)? and My North Node ruler Neptune in my 6th house (daily work)? and my South node ruler Mercury in my 5th house (fun)?
If my analysis is wrong…I give up and will leave astrology to the professionals…LOL.
Too many questions, Pisces NN. Dip into that Virgo SN, cut out some of the detail and focus on what matters. Yes, the progressed chart does matter at the time of meeting. So do the transits.
LOL, yes ma’am. Thanks for your patience, Dawn.
Hi Dawn,
Very insightful article. I looked through the page, but don’t know if this question was addressed: Does a square from one person’s nodes to another’s MC/IC (or Asc/Desc axis) suggest longevity in a relationship? Thanks!
Statistically, no. In practice, I think the constant stimulation may be too irritating, unless either person craves it. Any opposition squaring someone’s Nodes may seem like nagging to the nodal person.
Dear Dawn,
My saturn is in conjunct my Boyfriend’s ascendant exactly.
I can feel this energy very strong, and I guess he can also, it seems to be very strong tie.
Can You tell some words about this aspect?
Thank You,
Lotus
With Saturn conjunct the Asc, you can have a very strong feeling of security and safety between you. The Saturn person can act as a guide. The Saturn person also finds solace from its usual fears and defenses. Alas, eventually, the Saturn person may feel responsible for the angle person, which can kill the romance. Also, the angle person feels Saturn’s often cold, critical eye, and gets tired of Saturn telling it to ‘grow up’ in so many ways. It’s easier when the Saturn is only in the angular house, and not conjunct the angle itself.
Dear Dawn,
Thank you very much for Your answer!
Yes, we feel very strong feeling of security and safety. Next to the love and strong feelings we have a very stable and peaceful connection from the first meeting, from that we just know that we find each other and everything is fine. But next to the ascendant saturn conjunction we have 3 other exact saturn trines (with sun, moon, venus) and most of the aspects of our synastry are also trines but we have venus conjunct venus and double ascendant trine venus also. Saturn is the ruler both of our 7th houses, so I think this asc-saturn conjunction and the ther saturn trines can be lucky for us. In our relation and daily life we can feel this aspect but not the bad side of this, I’m usually more serious than him, but we have many other harmonic aspects of our life that can balance it and I try to to live this energy consciously. We have never felt before in our previous relationships as peaceful and safety as we can feel together now, and this is very happy.
Sincerely, Lotus
Thanks Dawn!
Hi Dawn, thank you for this article it’s so hard to find information in this!
His AC taurus@21.14(my 8th house)
My NN scorp@21.44(his 7th/my 2nd)
His Neptune scorp@23.45
His Pluto virgo@21.24(his 5th/my 12th)
My Moon virgo@18.35
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His NN aries@10.48(his 12th house)
My AC libra@7.05
My Pluto libra@11.05
My Neptune saggy@11.15 (his 7th/my 3rd house)
His Moon pisces@8.59 (his 11th/my 5th)
His Jupiter virgo@10.00
My Jupiter aries@15.05
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On top of this we have….
His Vertex libra@23.06
My Vertex ariea@21.23
Any clue on what these aspects mean?
Sorry, Erika, I don’t respond to lists of aspects. If this site teaches you anything, it should be that these aspect lists don’t matter.
Hi Dawn,
I really appreciate the information you have provided. I met a man about 4 months ago who’s SN is on my ASC and NN on my DSC. His SN also conjuncts my venus.
He suddenly and out of character broke up with me yesterday (he is the SN person) I am the ASC person. I am taken aback and not sure what to think at this point. In your opinion is SN on ASC a soul mate connection that has the potential for marriage/long term potential?
On the whole, SN connections, while ‘karmic’ in the usual lingo, indicate that the relationship is, in fact, in the past, and normally only lasts as long as one or the other still has something to learn or finish. In my experience, these connections are short lived. Angle contacts bring intense attraction–but it is only attraction, magnetism. It doesn’t have substance. That comes from the rest of the chart.
South Node connections are not they’re cracked up to be. Often there is karma to work out between you. This isn’t necessarily a good thing. In my experience, SN relationships tend not to be long lived. They exist until the lessons are learned, for one or the other. Sometimes the ‘mistake’ is repeated, because the perpetrator hasn’t grown up enough yet to change his or her attitude. It’s a complex dance. I’ll take the North Node contact any day over a South Node contact.
Hi Dawn,
Thank you for the enlightening article, just what I needed to make clear of the nature of my relationship with this man.
I have double whammy angles-to-node conjunctions with him; Specifically, his NN- my MC/SN-IC, my NN- his ASC/SN-DSC. Not only that, our ALL of our angles also conjunct (his ASC- my MC, my ASC- his IC…). We also have a lot of major aspects, some of which (allegedly) are common in married couple.
The attraction is tremendous. However, the relationship is not all blissful; he can literally make me feel like the happiest girl on occasions. He represents the one I would definitely marry, and yet be afraid of marrying. He confesses that he is not a one-woman-kind-of-guy… I am considering breaking up with him because the relationship can be very difficult at times (as much as it is blissful) due to our fundamental differences (He’s airy and I am earthy).
What is the significance of all-angles alignment? Do you have article about it?
Thank you for your counsel, Dawn.
My Saturn in Capricorn (5th) is tightly conjunct my vertex and conjunct his SN. His Venus is conjunct his NN and 4° off my anti-vertex. Our nodes are square. And we both have natal Venus trine Saturn but a Venus-Saturn opposition.
I’m fairly new to astrology and struggling to learn. If I’ve given you too many aspects, please help with the nodal/vertex contacts. Thank you so very much.
Sorry, I deleted the DW. We have a Venus-Saturn opposition DW.
Yes, I agree. Thank you. He actually texted me and wants things back the way they were and I’m just not interested now. I see this has no real substance, just something I did to feel attractive. Even tho his NN is on my DSC I just don’t feel like there’s enough there for a lasting relationship. I appreciate your site. Are there any good books on NN SN astrology you can recommend?
I found your reading list. Thank you!
Hello Dawn:
A new gentleman I met has his North node in Virgo in his fifth house directly conjunct my MC in Virgo. We seem to get along very well and we can relate to each other.It feels like as if we “know” each other. We are very interested in a long term relationship as he is going through a divorce and I myself am going through a major transition in life as well. We are an interracial couple also.
What does it mean in synastry to have this aspect: NN conjunct MC? Thank you.
This entire article is about what happens when the Nodes hit the angles.
Hi Dawn! I want to tell You that my experiance about SN conjunt Venus in synatry. As I wrote You erlaier I had this aspect with many good and strong other aspects, and the first time the raltionship was nice and everything seemed to be good. BUT after a few mounth I felt that it is absolutely opposite of my Life, my “Lifeaid” and I breakup with him so soon. I felt that I CAN NOT stay with that person anymore. And after the breakup I felt myself released very-very much, as to be free from the “golden cage”.
Could I ask You about Sun conjunt North Node in sinastry, in the ninth house? I guess that it is a future oriented connection. “Give” the sun person “the way” in this relationship more than the North Node?
Thank You For Your answer,
Lotus
The Sun is related to the North Node, just as the Moon relates more to the South Node. The Sun person has something to teach the Node person; this will happen naturally and often pleasantly. It doesn’t need to be labored. The ninth house is very complex and there are a myriad of lessons that can be taken from this conjunction, depending on the rest of the chart.
Hi Dawn! I want to tell You that my experiance about SN conjunt Venus in synatry. As I wrote You earlaier I had this aspect with many good and strong other aspects, and the first time the relationship was nice and everything seemed to be good. BUT after a few mounths I felt that it is absolutely opposite of my Life, my “Lifeaid” and I broke up with him so soon. I felt that I CAN NOT stay with that person anymore. And after the breakup I felt myself released very-very much, as to be free from the “golden cage”.
Could I ask You about Sun conjunt North Node in sinastry, in the ninth house? I guess that it is a future oriented connection. “Give” the sun person “the way” in this relationship more than the North Node?
Thank You For Your answer,
Lotus
I fixed in my second comment my grammar mistakes, sorry for that!
Dear Dawn,
Thank You for your answer!
And may I ask, what about if the Node axises are in conjunctions, and asc-ic and mc-dsc, and asc-ic and dsc-mc axises also are in exact conunctions?
Thank You and best regards from Hungary,
Lotus
There is an affinity, a sense of purpose and agreement, but it is not as strong as angle/nodes.
Thank You for Your Answer! Next the angles conjunctions there are the north node-sun exact conjunction, and also north node south node conjunction, and saturn venus conjunction in our synastry. It seems to be very karmic. We met first time in 1997:)
Update my earlier comment: in my opinion both south or north node connection can or cannot be longlasting. I wrote earlier about my exrelationship (SN conjunct Venus) that I broke up. But with that boy we had absolutely different energies (sun, moon, mars signs) and it was the bigger reason of the bad connection in our daily life. We was absolutely differnet in everything. But the other relationship (north-node conjunt sun) also finished, also because of the different energies. (suns, moons, etc.) My personal experience in the last 10 years is that, the most important in the synastry and first of all in the daily life is: the harmonius energy between the personal planets (sun, moon, mars), and it can be working for long time both with or without South Node connection.
Well,
His sun is conjunct my north node.He definitely taught me that sex can be a pleasurable experience.
But, i’m not sure if he wants the experience again like i do. Do he still feel that pull that I feel for him? His mars is also opposite my moon.
You will feel the pull more, most likely. Mars opposite the Moon may step on your toes, emotionally and spiritually.
Hi Dawn,
Thanks for the article, it was very helpful. I was wondering if you could answer a question? I have been around someone a lot lately whose north node is on the same degree as my asc, Jupiter, and Mars . It is actually really awkward and I have so much trouble talking to her. But I feel very pulled to her, although I can’t tell if it I am making up that it is mutual. She keeps coming around, she is a friend of a friend, but seems almost hostile unless I talk to her. Just wondering if these karmic pulls can be awkward or represent some unresolved negativity from the past.
Thanks
James
They can be awkward when the Nodes are involved. We often have very complex attitudes about change, moving forward, and growth. It isn’t necessarily negativity.
Hi Dawn, Thank you so much for all you share. would you be able to shed some light on these aspects?: His NN (Cap/1st) conjunct my IC by 2 degrees and square my Lib AC by 1 degree. Also my NN (Aqu/cusp 5th, conj Mars) is conjunct his Sun and Merc. And his progressed Aqu AC will be conjunct my natal NN in a few years. It seems I am to learn from him…?
I’m sorry, thedan, I can’t possibly comment on lists of aspects. The entire chart needs to be looked at.
Just one more thing, our nodal axis are inconjunct by 2 degrees. I tried searching for your article about double inconjunct but couldn’t find it. do you have a link?
There is a three part article on inconjuncts beginning here: https://theinnerwheel.com/2010/02/17/the-chart-workshop-the-tale-of-the-inconjuncts/
Dawn, thank you for expressing this so clearly. I just recently ended a 10 year relationship with a partner who has his ASC/DSC 20 Lib/Aries and My SN/NN at 22 Lib/Aries. Along with some other intense synastric contacts this has been my most devastating relationship ending. It broke down during last year’s Uranus transit beginning at 17 Aries. My progressed Mars is also conjunct my NN at 20 Aries, getting hit by Uranus. A LOT got shaken up and apparently this relationship was not going to make it through. I am devastated on the one hand, but also feeling free. (Transiting Uranus conj. my 5th house NN is already bringing some fun to remedy my broken heart) Thanks for your insights.
I found the way you answered this question below quite objectionable and rude. Tricia was asking you about the MC in particular. All the angles are different from each other. By saying, “This entire article is about what happens when the Nodes hit the angles,” you took the easy and condescending way out. Even though I’m not Tricia, I felt the slap. I was seriously thinking about hiring you for a reading or astrology lessons since I’d been impressed by you otherwise, but I don’t like your attitude. You’re mean and arrogant, not just to Tricia, but to others as well. I’d rather not spend money on someone who treats people the way you do, as knowledgeable as you appear to be. I think you better watch how you put yourself across in the future. It creates negative energy, in addition to loses you clients and credibility.
Hello Dawn:
A new gentleman I met has his North node in Virgo in his fifth house directly conjunct my MC in Virgo. We seem to get along very well and we can relate to each other.It feels like as if we “know” each other. We are very interested in a long term relationship as he is going through a divorce and I myself am going through a major transition in life as well. We are an interracial couple also.
What does it mean in synastry to have this aspect: NN conjunct MC? Thank you.
Dear Maura–I tried to answer you privately, but the message bounced back saying the mailbox was unavailable. So I will post my reply here:
First off, I agree with you on one thing. My answer to Tricia was too flippant. I’m human, I have bad days, too, and can lose patience. However, I think judging it ‘objectionable, ‘rude,’ and ‘condescending’ is a bit much. This answer was written almost a year ago, so I don’t remember my own circumstances, but I think there is testament in the fact that there are many, many comments in this article that were answered with patience and sensitivity. And there are many over the course of the site.
One of the reasons I began the site, and the reason I write my articles the way I do, and not in cookbook lingo, is because I want to get people to think astrologically, so that it becomes organic. If a person understands the MC/IC axis, and understands the Nodes, they can figure out for themselves what it would mean for the MC and NN to connect. (And there is plenty of info on the angles and Nodes on my site). I write my articles to encourage readers to think, and to dig deeper. No cookbook answer of mine would ever give that depth of understanding. So while I regret the manner of my answer, I do not regret the answer itself, and should have worded it differently.
In all my years of keeping this site, you are the first person to complain. The information on my site is up as a public service to astrology, and it takes time and effort to maintain. I try to be generous with my information. I am giving you information for free on this site that most astrologers would charge you for in one way or another. (Subscriptions, paid newsletters, etc.) Also, if you ask around, you will find that no one is more generous with time, whether you are a client or a student. Classes that are supposed to be an hour run on for 90 minutes if the student is really engaged. Synastries that are supposed to be 90 minutes have gone on for entire afternoons. I have an extended, loyal following of people who have been with me for years, even decades. You don’t win that kind of loyalty by being arrogant and rude. People come to me every day with real problems, and I handle them gently.
I suspect that we have other issues between our charts–perhaps to do with communication, perhaps with the shadow side of our psyche, but I find your judgement of me quite harsh, considering the circumstances. I’m sorry you feel that way. However, I hope you find another astrologer who is more compatible with your needs.
Yours,
Dawn
Hi, I enjoyed this article.
I am wondering, I have moon venus jupiter in 10th conjunct some potential boss/collaborator South Node.
Does the jupiter makes things easier for south node synastry? Or only bigger problems? I never heard about Jupiter in synastry and nodes. Thanks!
Jupiter can make things easier. It can make people feel good about one another. Sometimes they can learn from one another, or one plays the teacher and the other the student. Jupiter is an expansive energy, but sometimes it expands so much that it forces people to let go. But on the whole, on the Nodes it’s a positive energy unless Jupiter is problematic in either of the charts.
Hi Dawn,
Could I ask about North Node conjunct IC
and Sun conjunct MC in synastry?
Thank you,
Rainbow
When one person’s Sun conjuncts another person’s MC, the Sun lights the MC path in the world, work, social status, etc. and can act as a guide. With the North Node conjunct the IC, it is as very subtle influence. The IC person’s sense of security and groundedness–a sense of belonging, confidence, roots, family, etc. helps the North Node person to achieve the expression of the North Node. Planets there, either natal, progression or by transit, can either help or disturb this. Any squares to the Nodes will also square the angle, and this can also be upsetting.
Dear Dawn!
Could I ask about North Node conjunt IC in Synastry?
The moons lay mutual in the other’s 4th house also.
Thank you,
Alma
This aspect works in an almost unconscious way, with the Node person looking to the IC person for guidance and direction. The IC person already is what the Node person needs to grow into; the intimacy stems from that.
Hello, I wrote this in another post also but maybe it is better here. In the last days we got my boyfriend’s exact birth time from the hospital and we have a very good suprise. 🙂 Our ascendant in the same sign exactly and all of the axes and houses on the same degrees exactly. 🙂 And my Satun (my 7th.house chat ruler) conjuncts both of our ascendants. I have never seen before a synastry with axes and houses on the same degrees than us. 🙂 We really have very much similair kind of things (lifestyle, emotional and sexual needs, etc.) For example both of us are vegans ant this lifestyle important for us, and this was a very problematic point in our past relationships with others, so we are happy together for our similairity. 🙂
What do you think about these absolutely same axises and houses? I feel that it is a strong attraction next to the similarity. (next to the same axes and houses we have many harmonius, strong and spicey aspects and nort node connections also). Thank you.
ps.: I know this aspects as soul mate indicators (same ascendant, axes, houses and north node conjuncts venus, north node conjuncts moon, chiron conjunts venus). It is the strongest and most special realtionship in my life.
ps 2: Sorry, my writing was not so clear maybe. I meant that
our ascendant conjunt exactly and all the house cups of us are in conjunction exactly in every house system. I have never seen this before. We are very same in many important things. I know this aspects as soul mate indicators (same ascendant, axes, houses and north node conjuncts venus, north node conjuncts moon, chiron conjunts venus). It is the strongest and most special realtionship in my life. What do you think Asc conj asc, Desc conj Desc, MC conj MC, IC conj IC and house cups are in conjunction? (Next to this we have several strong and spicy aspects.)
On the whole it means you are travelling in the same direction, spiritually. The most important in synastry is that the other person ‘sees’ you and ‘feels’ you the way you see and feel yourself, so the sense of knowing grows very deep. Conflicts come when transits or progressions move you off of this bliss, depending on your relative ages.
Hello Dawn, thank you for the answer! It is great as “we share the wheel” as our ascendants, axes, house cusps conjunt exactly. This connection between us is full of similarity, magnetic attraction, deep emotional and physical drawn and harmony with karmic bond. I have never felt all of these in a relationship before. Our spiritual path are not he same, because I am practicing (and teaching already) yoga and I am a Buddhist from 20 years, this is my life and my Path, and he is a Catholic, but open to the yoga. It is very true that our lifestyle, approach are very similar (we become vegan in the same age, the environment and animal protection is very important both of us, we are planning self-supporting lifestyle in the future, and we have many same needs and habits, etc…)
I feel that our connection and bond is deep and strong and we are conscious enough to growing continuously during the transits and progressions.
what do you say about someones north node and Venus conjunct your ascendant?
Most likely, the person’s spritual growth and values will help you discover who you really are. But if they are not involved with their own growth, there may be an attraction between you and the Venus person, and little else. They might not be ready for you.
What do inconjunctions provide in node aspects? Specifically Node inconjunct the others Ascendant?
This may make two people feel as if they are not quite on the same path, but they stimulate one another anyway.
The north node..
Hi Dawn thank you for the article, this was really excellent. I have a question, everyone in the comments seems to be asking/ commenting on the ‘conjunction’ of nodes to angels and planets. But no one has really asked about the ‘oppsition’ of nodes to angels or planets. I have recently begun a friendship with a man, that I instantly had a connection with. We’ve goten together once, and with that first, I’ll say ‘interaction’, we got extremely deep. We revealed alot anout our selves and our lives in that first meeting. And iam typically not a person to go that far with people. Especially not with just meeting them. And he expressed to me that hes the same way. We have hard aspects to our nodes and angles in our synastry.
My MC squares his MC
My NN is in ‘opposition’ to his Asc
My NN squares his venus
My NN squares his sun
And My Asc is in ‘opposition’ to his MC
Would you please give me some clarity on what specifically these positions mean. Especially the ‘oppsitions’. Are they as powerful as the conjunctions? How will an opposition and square to these points, play out in a relationship, romantic or otherwise? And im aware that they are hard aspects. But as of right now I just feel ‘energized’, I obviously don’t know where hes at mentally. But im honestly ready for whatever lesson or experience these combinations bring. Again if you could give me some more clarity about these positions I’d greatly appreciate it;) Thank You.
Tia, I would like to help you, but I think this is something you can figure out for yourself–read my articles on the Asc (The Roving ‘I’ series) and the MC (Type ‘MC or midheaven into the search engine on the site), and then read the series on the Nodes. If you understand the concepts behind these points, you will be able to discern their meaning. The North and South node are equally important. The South Node relates to the Moon and the past. The Sun relates to the North Node and the present/future. If a planet squares a nodal axis, we need that planet to find balance within our own nodes.
It’s Venus Retrograde; my failing relationship seems to be crumbling by the second, but you and this article have helped me to discern that this is indeed for my soul’s purpose and higher selfs’ development. Thank you.
Hey, loved the article!
In case if you’re still replying, I have my Libra Asc (28 degrees) conjunct someone’s NN, the orb’s less than 1 degree.
For me it was love from the 1st sight. But we never got together, I never even told him how much I liked him. Now, after 5 years, I decided to cut him off completely. We haven’t met for 5 months. But I feel like I’ll never get over him.
I know he likes me, he has kissed me a few times.. but I’m pretty sure he’s not as interested as I am. I have never asked him how he felt about me. We’re both 21.
Since my own NN is in my 1st house (2 degrees Scorpio), it’s also 5 degrees apart from his (27 Libra).
Could it be that my nodal lesson is to remain separated from him (since the 1st house is about being an individual) ?
And I can’t imagine what can I possibly teach him as the Asc person on his Node.
I wish I knew how to get over him, it’s been years of battling with my feelings and it hurts really bad… So bad I’m losing hope of ever falling in love again.
Potential is a powerful thing. It feeds the imagination. “What if…” is part of the vocabulary of lover’s and potential lovers everywhere. However, potential is not reality. There is a reason you are instinctively staying away from this person. Listen to your inner being and move on.
Hello,
Did your research give any gender preference for the node to angle aspect?
Is it better for the mans asc to be on the womans NN? or the womans asc on the mans SN?
I have two past relationships with the latter. I noticed the woman would feel as if I, the man, wasn’t interested in their appearance (asc) or as if I had been there done that. I did help one of them with their appearance and self esteem being that the sign of asc/SN is Libra.
Thanks,
Sean
In the study I read, it was more likely to be the North Node to the MC or the ASC, no matter what the sex.
Hi Dawn!
Love your work. I cant find nothing on the net as dead on as some of your interpretations and readings. Thank you for sharing your gift. I am currently fascinated by Nodes/Angles contacts in synastry and not much info is available.
I am all at once going through my Pluto/Pluto square…. Pluto trine Moon…and the less than once in a lifetime Pluto Conjunct my natal Sun tranisit!! Its been a really incredible, for good and “bad” time so far.
At during the last 2 years I have had two life-changing soul transforming relationships that i can only describe as Karmic. There are really no words.
With first partner: His North Node conjunct my Asc/South conjunct Desc. — Moon conjunct Pluto — Moon conjunct IC
Second and current partner who I cant seem to ever let go of is the opposite of the other life-changing relationship: His North Node on my Descendant and South Node on my Ascendant at a 3 degree orb. I am specifically interest in this one! What does NN/Desc & SN/Asc mean? Past life stuff?
Just extra info:
The second partner and I share the same Virgo Moon.
His Pluto conjunct his north node in the 12th house. His pluto conjuncts my Mars in Libra at 0 degrees. His pluto is also in trine to my venus. His pluto lands nearly right on my Descendant of course.
I have a 7th house stellium of Jupiter, saturn, pluto. And mars just barely in my 6th house closely conjunct my desc. The 7th house stellium lands in his 12th house, all but jupiter which is in his first. My pluto and saturn are smack dab in the middle of his 12th house and Mars too. My Jupiter in his 1st house. I can see right through him. It drives him mad. I have never been so in love.
He is a scorpio rising. He is a Leo Sun — with 7 things aspecting off his Neptune. Very Neptunian!
I am a Cap sun. With Aries rising 13 degrees.
Feels like we have known each other through lifetimes.
Anything that you could note right off hand? Just so interested in Nodes conjunct Angles… its amazing!!
Thanks.
I’m sorry, I can’t make a comment. I would need to see all the charts.
Hi Dawn
You are the most eloquent writer of astrological content I have ever come across. You did a reading for me several years back and it was much better than another paid service I had back then.
thank you for taking the time to write these articles for us; I still use them as reference many years after you have first shared them with us.
Your patience is incredible; some folks have no concept of what is fair, expecting so much for nothing. You are the best
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Hi everybody, I’ve got my Venus on this guy’s south node in Aries, my south node conjuncts also my Venus but in a bigger orbit and his saturn conjuncts his south node. So what I think this means is that he cannot run away from his responsibilities (Saturn) and admits that he wants to be with me just like I cannot disown my Venusian traits so I also admit that I’m in for forever. But from wot I’ve heard about south nodal connections is that it changes is over time which frightens me because I’m scared of break ups (it nearly killed me the last time). We look so much similar that sometimes it feels I’m staying at the male version of myself, I haven’t started anything yet because I want to be sure that I’m not gonna end up in great agony. I think that I’m mature and intelligent enough to work out the differences and troubles in future and so is he. I’m a Pisces and he’s a cancer so loving and being loved is the top priority and we both believe in soulmates and true love. We also have our suns trine, my moon sextile his sun, my Mars trine his sun and mercury, and outer planets are about at the same degree, in same sign. I’m the kind who goes either all in our nothing so I need your help please, I’m so confused, I can’t decide, maybe I’m missing something, but I’m scared that I won’t get another chance like this, of being with somebody who I can truly love and feel this ever lasting connection. Also my sun and Mars fall in his fourth house and my Venus is in his fifth house with his south node. Please help me decide. I’ve wasted so much time already and done nothing yet. Any kind of help is appreciated, lots of love.
Angles, the frame upon which we hang our souls ❤️
I wish you were still here .
Hi Dawn,
My NN is at 1° Sagittarius and his DSC is at 12° Sagittarius. Out of orb but in the same sign. Any significance?
I love the nuances made in this article, and how much genuine thought and consideration has been put into these aspects. It is simply an utter joy to read, with so many angles of meaning, as well as of shedding astrological light! I’ve been reading astrology books since the 1990s, and this piece is simply divine.
My unrequited love (he does not know I love him) has south node Libra, north node, Aries.
I am sun, mercury, venus, saturn, pluto Libra, asc Aries.
He has Mars in Aries.
My south node is cancer, north node capricorn.
He possibly has asc capricorn.
He has neptune, ceres and 4227 kali cap.
Any insights?
Much love, ld
Sorry! He has Mars in Libra!!!! LOL